DHS "Shutdown"

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  1. bruno

    bruno Retired Staff Member

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    Since the DHS is in the news (as Congress yet again sets itself for egg on its face) Foreign Policy magazine published a pretty good article questioning if there is a need for the Department of Homeland Security at all.I don't know the answer- I do know that as a department it has a pretty well deserved reputation of spending money like a drunken saillor in the past which certainly undermines their credibility now. I don't agree with congress going to the "shutdown" well yet again in their on-going war with the President (I agree with their objection to Obama's Executive action- but by now one would think that they would have learned that shut downs are seriously counterproductive politically> Congress being Congress- they never seem to learn anything though so it seems like another "here we go again).
    Maybe the article has a point and the real debate should be about whether or not we are better served/ more secure by having a behemoth Federal agency like DHS?

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/02/26... Report&utm_campaign=Sit Rep February 27 2015
     
  2. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    DHS is a miserable place. The individual agencies aren't going anywhere, but DHS has been mismanaged for years. In my experience, it got worse with Obama political appointees, so maybe that will change in two years.

    DHS never really got its own identity, so it tried to force a "One DHS" mindset on the component agencies. That hasn't gone over well.

    Could the U.S. do without DHS? Sure! But figure out where to put the Coast Guard, Secret Service, CBP, ICE, USCIS, TSA etc.
     
  3. scoutpilot

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    Just a thought....maybe put them back where they were before DHS existed? And for those that didn't exist then, put them someplace logical. It's not as though this is an unprecedented idea.
     
  4. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Haha, I don't disagree. But somehow I bet it's harder than that. Maybe it's a funding thing, or a legal "where does your authority come from" thing.

    Some, like CBP (combining Customs and Border Patrol), existed in parts before, with components coming from different departments. ICE is the same way, from Customs and INS. Then USCIS... was maybe INS and something else, I'm not sure. TSA was new.

    Only the Coast Guard and Secret Service come over fully intact.
     
  5. Pima

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    I am having a problem pulling the article up on my tablet, but here is my question. If they shutdown DHS what is the direct impact for the CGA? Will it be like USNA/USMA/USAFA during sequestration and school keeps going?
     
  6. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    In the past people were either "essential" or "nonessential". The essentials were mostly uniformed. If they weren't paid they were still expected to be there, and work. Of course, the longer that goes, good luck enforcing that. Everyone else was sent home. I honestly have no idea what's specifically involved. Shut downs are bigger and have more impact that sequestration.

    Oh and Pima, sequestration is still going on....
     
  7. Pima

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    Oh I know sequestration is still going on, but the work week isnt as far as I know.
     
  8. goaliedad

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    A one-week extension... I guess it keeps this thread alive....

    Perhaps Congress should work like the a Papal election... Nobody leaves until white smoke (an agreement) rises. All the actors just like the attention that this circus gives them...
     

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