Did all mids get recalled off ships/prevented from starting SeaYear??

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  1. kp2001

    kp2001 USMMA Alumnus

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    2019B's sea year is being delayed for an unknown period of time. Apparently they will now be working indoc
     
  3. BuckeyeGuy

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    I know some parents (I did) received that email from the alumni assoc today. The 2018B's are impacted as well. DS rec'd email today from his ATR and was told sea year on hold as of now. When he gets back into port, he is to call his ATR and will be given updates at that time. As you know, if the mids don't have the sea days, and passing the license exam, they don't walk across the stage.
     
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    I'm at KP right now and it's basically a direction from the DOT due to the surveys we filled out.
     
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    The PR on this from the academy has been terrible. They haven't given anyone enough information for any of this to make sense, which has lead to lots of colorful speculation on various alumni/parents networks.

    Shipping companies couldn't give a dry popcorn fart if they have cadets on their ships. They have no incentive to make big changes, and will all be quick to point out that they have provisions in their SMS to deal with harassment on board ship. KP is putting one big bullet through its own foot. "Standing down" will do nothing but damage to the academy, the midshipmen, and the relationships that have been developed with the shipping companies. So there is healthy skepticism that sexual assault has nothing to do with this.

    Most of the theories about the real reason the plug was pulled on sea year have to do with these:
    http://gcaptain.com/forum/suny-maritime/18366-rendering-national-security-multi-mission-vessel.html

    There are lots of variations of the theory, but the gist of the story is that if sea is unsafe for cadets, and congress if it truly cares about stopping sexual assault, they need to shell out for five new training ships.

    I vividly remember Admiral Greens final words to us as he put down the microphone, wrapped his arm around his wife's back, and pushed open the doors to Ackerman Auditorium:

    "God steer the well Kings Point"
     
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    Sad, really. . . . I have no words.
     
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    I've heard that it's DoT being overly proactive so they don't get the same criticism DoD has gotten of sexual assault in the military. Not out of the realm of possibility if but done poorly.

    That gCaptain article makes some sense though. Could be first salvo in getting their own ship. Typical Federale mindsight ... the only way to ensure something is done the way I think it should be done is to assume total control and micromanage the snot out of it.

    If I was a shipping company executive I would be pretty irate at that press release. It makes it sound like Animal House out there and that the shipping companies have been unwilling to control their crews. When I had girls coming on board after me as cadets, the 1A/E went through great pains to ensure that their would be no issues with the crew. That was over 20 years ago.

    btw ... if not for what would today be termed sexual harrasment at least one of my classmates would not be married to her husband of 18 years with four kids and I wouldn't be here either.
     
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    The legislation places specific requirements on the Academy for the sexual assault prevention program. Additionally, the Executive branch is very vocal about the need to implement such policies at all Academies. The legislation also contains the funding for the school and operations, capital improvements, maintenance, vessel costs, etc. It also sets out specific requirements for underrepresented groups for attendance at the Academy. Again, something the Executive branch is vocal about. By considering the language, it is quite possible that the Academy/Marad is leery of relying on the corporate sector for the institution and control of the harassment policy, because the Academy is specifically tasked with doing so. If it is later determined that the Academy did not follow through with the legislative mandates, funding could be affected. And, once again, pure speculation, but it sounds more like the Academy needs cover because of the legislation, and the one way to do such is to have the Academy included in the corporate harassment program, as it pertains to cadets.

    If it is being generated because of "surveys" that showed an epidemic of harassment issues, that information would be out loud and clear because it would be a way to address the events at the school--which could be done with many goals in mind, including attacking the school and administration with the goal of changing same, or, be used as an example why the executive branch's "call to arms" on the harassment issue is a real issue and the Academy could then be used an example of how to address such. Because this seems purely, or mostly, political, the "shipping companies" will not balk. It is not worth the fight. They will all get in a room, and compromise so everybody saves face.
     
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    Agreed. Sea Year is such a HUGE part of the KP experience. I really hope this gets resolved soon, otherwise USMMA could see this as the beginning of the end.
     
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    My first thought actually. Is something Machevellian afoot?
     
  11. MMA19kid

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    No nothing like that is happening. The academy is not coming to an end. Sea year will probably get back underway soon.
     
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    Unrelated but I saw that passing Cohn was one of your accomplishments at kp. The guy who replaced Cohn is a complete joke from queens community college ...cruised through econ with an A. Unfortunately capt hard is gone now. What else is there to make my life hard as a deck major apart from sea year?
     
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    Deckies always seemed to choke on Naval Architecture 2/C year depending on who they had.
     
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    Was there ever really anything?

    Q: Why did the deckie cross the road?
    A: I don't know but he got three credits for it.

    We used to refer to getting bagels from the seafarer as "Deck Ops".
     
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    Sea Year is hard? Sheesh. Shoulda gone deck if that was the most difficult part of KP. . . .
     
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    The hardest thing I've done at KP so far is the regiment and swimming (came in not knowing how to). I wish I had gone engine sometimes just for more challenging work. I aced calc 1 and 2 too so I probably could have. The last 4 weeks of TNav 2 were so boring I just daydreamed in class and learned 4 weeks of Tnav the night before the final exam. I have a feeling I'm going to get hurt in INav and Sea Year (because I'm a klutz).
     
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    Shame, really. Sea Year was, to me, the best part of the KP experience. I even toyed with the thought of not coming back after the end of my second part. . . . others had done it before me. . . but in the end, I came back, did my last 17 months and got my license. . .
     
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    Sea Year Stand Down News: Midshipmen Assigned to MSC and Navy Vessels
    As of Friday, July 8, Superintendent RADM James A. Helis, USMS, announced that effective immediately, Midshipmen affected by the Sea Year Stand Down will be assigned to MSC vessels. The priority for the MSC berths will be for 2018-B splits. If any additional MSC berths remain open, 2019-B Engine Midshipmen will be given the priority. The amount of berths available at this time is unknown. Midshipmen currently on MSC vessels that were not able to be recalled will now remain on those vessels.

    Midshipmen scheduled to be on Navy vessel summer cruises have also been approved. 2019-B Deck Midshipmen will begin trips on the T/V Kings Pointer and T/V Liberator beginning July 11.

    MARAD/Academy continue to work with the maritime industry to open up commercial shipping berths. An official announcement will be posted on the Academy website later today.

    http://www.usmmaaf.com/s/1175/hybri...=3231&ecid=3231&crid=0&calpgid=61&calcid=2864
     
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    My DS is an HT on the Jason Dunham out of Norfolk, and they just got a Midshp '19 joining them.
    DS is enjoying talking to him to get a sense of what his brother may be going thru.
     
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    I'm not too concerned as long as they don't put me on the T/V Empire State which an email said some people are going to be on it for sea days.
     

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