Disenrolled USAFA cadet

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  1. supermumjf

    supermumjf New Member

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    i posted this in the wrong thread earlier:

    need a very good military lawyer to guide us through this maze. need his regarding remission of recoupment obligation paperwork. the stories my son have told are unbelievable. from blatant racism, anti-semitism , sexual harassment going unchecked, unlawful arrests, undercover cadets snitching on each other. not exactly what we expected , but we were pollyanna with our heads buried even with all of the warnings before signing his committment papers.
    way to many details to bore you with

    the government and his superiors seem to be very vindictive and whistle-blowing is very frowned upon.
     
  2. Usafamom2016

    Usafamom2016 Member

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    I'm so sorry your son had such a negative experience. I can speak to the anti-semitism as this was something that we were concerned. My son is finishing his second year there and has had absolutely no anti semitism or prejudice against him or his religion in any way.
     
  3. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    At the risk of sounding harsh, I don't put much stock in the stories disenrolled cadets and midshipmen have once they've been shown the door. When you're overloaded on demerits, there's a very real issue with your ability to function in that environment. I got my fair share of deremits, but I never approached the disenrollment-level. I had classmates who did, and they were disenrolled.

    Now, this isn't unique to your son, or overloaded deremit receivers, I've noticed MANY folks change their stories once they get out. It's tough, returning home having failed at something. This is compounded by the fact that family and friends are emotionally invested in your success. The warnings should be, if you are a bad cadet, you WILL BE held accountable. And there's no free education. Um.... wait, I do remember hearing that over a decade ago. Either AFA isn't saying it, or folks aren't listening.

    Your son failed. The quicker he can accepted that, the faster he'll be able to realize that we all fail, and we all have to learn and move forward from there. It's not the end of the world. He'll be able to find something and be successful. But, in my opinion, he won't get there if he blames everyone else.
     
  4. aglages

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    Please bore us with the details. Otherwise how will current and future cadets benefit from your son's experience? Additionally you wouldn't want the government and his superiors to get away with being vindictive.....would you?
     
  5. dohdean

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    From a lawyer's perspective -- this parent should not post the specifics of her cadet's case/issues, etc. on this or any other website. The parent, and presumably her cadet, have requested the name of an attorney. I'm sure they would appreciate a specific name or names of attorneys who are willing to help or have helped cadets in the past. Otherwise, all information concerning this cadet's situation should remain privileged and between the cadet and his/her attorney.
     
  6. aglages

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    From a lawyer's perspective -- would you recommend that your client post the following on this or any other website?
     
  7. Bullet

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    From an anonymous guy on the internet perspective -- you are certainly correct that this parent's asking for the name or contact for a good lawyer to help their child out of a very bad financial situation, and any other facts pertinent to the case are between them and their (eventual) lawyer. And we will gladly respond to that simple request, if able.

    But there was more than just that simple request. There was a diatribe against the institution, claiming racial and religious discrimination and other nefarious actiivities, to include accusations that their child is in this stuation in part due to retaliation for being a whistle blower. If that is indeed the case in their child's situation, then they have my (and our combined) sympathy and desire that they get their deserved justice. Oooooooor, it can come off as making excuses.

    I personally believe in the theory of Achem's Razor.

    However, even if this was just ranting under the tremendous stress that they are certainly facing, they have my sympathy due to the fact they face perhaps an insurmountable financial obligation. If I did know the name of a good lawyer familiar with this process, I would pass it along happily. Unfortunaltey, I do not. But I will say that others have faced this before, and I believe they resolved it in the end by taking out longer term loans to pay off the immediate debt to the Academy at a more affordable monthly rate.
     
  8. Freda'sMom

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    Occam's Razor. :wink:
     
  9. Aveon

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    I believe a recommendation was given the OP on another thread he/she posted on (there are three duplicate OP postings here on the forum).

    But to post again, an attorney in the Colorado Springs area that has worked with cadets before on disenrollment issues is: Chester Morgan II, aka "Skip". Or they could try, www.militarylawyers.org.

    But seems to me a general google search by OP for "military attorneys" would yield more than a few results for the OP to choose from...:rolleyes:
     
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  10. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Aren't you supposed to say you are not giving legal advice befroe you tell the parent they should post? HAHA.

    Honestly, it's not priviledged if its shared. And it can't remain priviledged if there is no attorney. But it's not likely the first person to post more than they should have about their case.

    I was two rows back on the Metro the late last year, listened to two attorney's talking about a class-action she wanted to tackle.... dropping names and organizations and situations.... took five seconds and a little above ground train service to figure out who they were working with. Amazing.
     
  11. falconfamily

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    Just my two cents - I think there is alot of emotion when people are facing something like disenrollment. I have had to speak to more parents than I care to recount about what is happening with their cadet with respect to honor and conduct issues and I would never wish this situation on anyone.

    While I can understand the push back because of some of the things that were allegated by the OP, chances are the parents have only part of the story, they are emotionally distraught, and they are concerned about how to make things "right" again. Clearly, someone posting this in a public forum is out of options and is looking for some sort of help.

    Personally I am open to discussing this with the OP, but I would suggest that it would be best to PM me.
     
  12. Buff-IP

    Buff-IP USAFA '88 Pilot

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    There is a phenomenon known casually as the drowning man syndrome.

    (You swim out to rescue a crowing person and they drown you -the rescuer- in the process of saving themselves)

    I saw it regularly as a UPT instructor. The struggling (due to a lack of ability) student would attempt to take down anyone remotely associated with that students training as they were washed out...rather than just admitting to themselves honorably that they did not meet requirements.

    For the record, I was never involved as a defendant in one of these cases, but I had set the groundwork for their dismissal...on one case a student even emailed me the brief his lawyer filed for whatever reason.


    So if this cadet was the only pure innocent soul in the massive academy coverup machine, then by all means attempt to cure the problem.

    But maybe this could be the drowning man syndrome?

    I know that if I would have been kicked out of the zoo, it would have been my own fault, I got plenty of feedback on what I needed to do to graduate.
     
  13. Spud

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    Was the original post concerning the Firstie who was at the ultimate limit of demerits (no small achievement) and who then demonstrated the stunningly good sense to bring his girlfriend into his room for a night of giggles and groans? And got caught. Just wondering.
     
  14. ERAUMattmom

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    I will check with my niece tomorrow. It's been a long long time...she's in her 40's now....but after being the first female in California to be nominated to all 3 academy's she ended up at the Naval Academy. Her first year there she became bulimic and the academy attempted to disenroll her. She fought the disenrollment and overcame the illness and won her case.

    After winning her case and completing 4 years at the academy she was told that she would not be commissioned due to the bulimia from her first year. Her lawyers said if she wanted to fight not getting commissioned that she should win in court..

    Tired of being someplace where she felt "unwanted" and unappreciated...she decided to say ...thanks, but no thanks. As long as the academy was willing to write off the cost of her education she would prefer to move forward in life with her plan B.....AND Apparently that was something that the academy was willing to agree to.... She ended up with the best education that money could buy for free

    AND with the next 4 years free from commitment to the Navy she went to medical school and became a doctor. She has been a doctor for the last 20 years....

    She has not been bulimic since her first year out of high school, understands what the Navy's concerns were, holds no grudges, and is happily married to a retired Captain of the Coast Guard.

    Sooo...depending upon what the reasons' for disenrollment were..it is possible to get reinstated. I will check with my niece tomorrow and if she remembers the firm who represented her I will pass along that information to you.
     
  15. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    There are five service academies.
     
  16. ERAUMattmom

    ERAUMattmom Member

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    My bad.......

    Army, Navy, AF the three she was interested in...

    Cut me some slack....I'm a still a newby the military world, my role is AFROTC mom not USAFA mom.

    It was late when I posted and I apologize to those I offended.. Good thing my niece's husband doesn't frequent this forum....I'd be in hot water considering the fact that he graduated from the Coast Guard Academy and spent 20 years as an Officer before retiring a few years ago...
     
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  17. kdc246

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    Sent you a PM.
     
  18. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Haha, not offended at all. We lose the tone on a forum... it was just a reminder. Believe me, people in New London didn't know much about CGA, I wasn't too surprised others didn't know.
     

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