District Standings

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  1. DCHillin

    DCHillin Member

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    What does being the most competitive, or only applicant to a specific service academy in your district do to your chances of getting an appointment?
     
  2. kinnem

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    If you are the most competitive and your MOC does not give a principal appointment to someone else, or someone else more competitive doesn't suddenly come along, then you are in. Of course, when someone is told they are the most competitive, then that's normally in the view of whoever told them. That does not necessarily reflect the view of Academy Admissions who makes the final decision for a competitive slate.

    If you are the only person on the slate, and you are qualified (and ablove paragraph makes the same assumption about being qualified) then you're in... unless someone more competitive come along.

    "It ain't over 'til it's over" - Yoggi Berra
     
  3. nothingventurednothinggai

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    I don't think this quite right. If a candidate is fully qualified, and their MOC names them as number one, then they do get the Appointment. But few MOCs name principals. If you are number one from a slate of 10 and not named a principal, the Academy COULD take you, but they don't have to. That's where all the National slots come from......Districts that didn't have a principal, and were not selected.
     
  4. kinnem

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    Gee, I didn't think I said a lot of MOCs appoint principals. I said if a MOC appoints a principal. If the slate is ranked, then you are right, the MOC is only specifying a preference and they can take whom they like... which would normally be the most competitive candidate with respect to the WPS. Similarly for an unranked competitive slate. You are correct that I sort of confused a principal nomination with a ranked slate, which I shouldn't have done.
     
  5. DCHillin

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    Nomination Spots

    If a MOC has more than 1 spot open at an academy, how does the academy go about choosing qaulified applicants from that district for the appointment?
     
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    I believe two separate slates are submitted. Of course there is nothing to prevent one or more people from being on both slates. Of course, all of that is up to the MOC.
     
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    NOMINATIONS 101

    1) IF your MOC submits a Principal/Numbered Alternate or Principal/Competing Alternate slate:

    a) If you are the Principal nom and are fully qualified - by law, West Point must offer you the appointment.
    b) If you are not the Principal and are fully qualified - you will be placed on the NWL.

    2) IF your MOC uses the Competitive slate:

    a) If you have the highest WCS on the competitive slate and are fully qualified then you are that MOCs vacancy winner and you will be offered an appointment.
    b) If you are not the Vacancy winner on a competitive slate and are fully qualified, you will be placed on the NWL.



    Correct :thumb:
     
  8. Stevewar2

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    MOC

    If the person with the highest whole person score also has a SDVET or other nomination - WP may use that one instead of the MOC. Also, diversity or recruited athletes may bump out a higher scoring person. Besides what is mandated by law, the Academy has a lot of freedom. I would actually like to see what nomination source as used for each member of YG17. My daughter has a SDVET and JROTC nomination so far. She is applying for MOC and VP. It would be nice to know that out of the 15 SDVET nominations last year that only 10 were used.
     
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    Do candidates know, or can they find out what their WCS is?
     
  10. WestPoint2017

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    No, the WCS is a safely guarded algorithm. Nobody outside of the admissions board has access to it.
     
  11. jjlma

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    good WCS question.

    Never heard of it being given out. If you look at the USAF candidate handbook (I understand there are differences in Academies-but to get a general explaination) you will see a detailed explaination of how they piece together the WCS. All of the answers are not there, but a good portion of the ranking process is explained. Other acadimies i.e. USNA do not provide as much detail, but based on admissions page information of mid range averages and this forum when people submit information after receiving LOS etc, you get a good idea of the standing for a DD/DS with their informaion. Hope this helps some.
     
  12. DCHillin

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    My MOC uses the competetive process, and will have 2 or more vacancies. So if I am understanding correctly WP will send appointments to the top candidates with the highest wcs for those 2 or more vacancies?


    Do the amount of MOC vacancies effect a candidates possibility of being considered for USMAPS?
     
  13. GoBlue1984

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    All depends how the slate is submitted. The academy is not required by law to take more than one candidate from a slate, or to even fill a vacancy created by someone leaving the academy. If the same slate is submitted twice (it happens) then likely the top 2 candidates get appointments.


    Don't know for certain but remember that USMAPS is typically filled by those who are academically not ready but who are desired by the academy for other reasons. An offer to USMAPS does not change the number of MOC charged cadets.
     
  14. WestPoint2017

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    Interesting Question in response to GoBlue: Let's say at the end of everything you were third on your slate and your MOC submitted two slates because there were two vacancies. One of the two people above you chose a different SA, leaving you in second for USMA. I know by law USMA isn't required to give you the appointment, but if your competitiveness was solid, would you get the appointment? Or is that "murky water?"
     
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    Candidates #1 and #2 are offered the appointments. You go on the national waiting list and have a shot at an appointment from there. Keep in mind there are actually 2 slates, so for your scenario we're assuming the slates were identical.
     
  16. WestPoint2017

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    Right, it was just a scenario I thought of, not one that I am in. I was hoping to help clarify for DCHillin. Would USMA go back to the third place man on that slate or look to the NWL for the spot? Now I am just curious!
     
  17. kinnem

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    I'm pretty sure they go to the NWL at that point.
     
  18. DCHillin

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    This really clarifies it. So its better for the MOC to send more then one slate!
     
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    I don't think its a matter of being better. I'm pretty sure its required.
     
  20. WestPoint2017

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    Glad I could help :thumb:
     

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