Do I have at least a decent chance of appointment?

I would suggest, if you truly plan to eschew organized sports of any kind, a DAILY regimen of running, weight training, etc. and, you'll have to be super motivated because should you get the nom and appointment, your competition at USAFA is going to be sports-crazy. AND, you will DEFINITELY participate in intramurals while at any Service Academy. You'd be a hindrance to your squad if you are not in tip-top form and a team player.
 
BTW what is Key Club? We never had that at our kids' schools. I'm curious.

Since you say continuing in martial arts is not an option, it would help you to find an after school intramural team or even join something like the track and field or cross country teams. Some gyms have cross fit teams as well (perhaps yours does and this is something you might enjoy doing). This would give you 2 benefits, the athletic sport participation and help you get in shape for the fitness test.

Good luck!
 
BTW what is Key Club? We never had that at our kids' schools. I'm curious.

Key Club is an international organization devoted to community service and character building. It's the high school level of a larger organization called Kiwanis that has service clubs and groups on all levels of school including elementary schools and college. http://www.keyclub.org/home.aspx

it would help you to find an after school intramural team or even join something like the track and field or cross country teams. Some gyms have cross fit teams as well (perhaps yours does and this is something you might enjoy doing).

My school does not have any sports teams; if I want to participate in school sports I have to prepare for the team on my own and try out at another school. Because of that, I am trying to find sport opportunities that are not based at school for transportation reasons. I think my school has a cross fit club and class; I have friends in it, and I have been thinking about listing it as a class for next year--this elective spot may be used for orchestra, however. I also believe there is a class called "ultimate" at my gym, which is high intensity style exercises seen in boot-camp commercials like flipping tires. I have not tried this class, but I believe that there is an age restriction that may or may not apply to me. I will have to check with the people who offer the class to see if it works with my schedule. I do participate in a "team" fitness class where we all work in a group with an instructor; he has been helping me condition myself, and I've been improving over the last couple months so I am fairly confident for most of the CFA events.
 
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Have you actually done a practice CFA? You may be surprised at your results.
 
Have you actually done a practice CFA? You may be surprised at your results.

I don't have a basketball or 100' so I haven't tried the basketball throw yet, but I can do 3 (almost 4) pull ups, a 10 second shuttle run, 50 sit ups (one minute, I still have to try the 2 minute), and 48 push ups (I need to double check my time on this one.) I know for a fact my mile is insanely slow, so that is my main focus, and my goal range for every event except the mile starts at the maximum. I still have a little over a year before I even start my per-candidate questionaire, so I'm aiming to get up to 10 or 11 pull ups, 8 second shuttle, 100sit ups, and 60 push ups so I have wiggle room, considering I was unable to do all the parts and I'll likely fatigue more than in the attempt I did. I also have to accommodate a 4,000 foot elevation change, should I receive a nomination... My cardio is freaking me out though, so running is my main thing. I've been improving though, so I'm just hoping school won't ramp up the homework as bad as last year.

EDIT: I just found my records, my push-up number was actually 36 when I did the mock, 48 was not the number from my pretend test.
 
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You don't have access to a basketball? Do you live in the United States?
100 feet... not very far, and if you are female, AND you haven't prepared, don't worry, you'll need less than 60'.

If your school really has no basketball (believable if you are a homeschooler - but I'm not buying it if you go to a high school), find a thrift store and buy one for $1, or borrow one from a fellow student.

Lemme, something seems "off" here. Can you please explain to relieve fencersmother's trepidation?
 
I'm not sure where you live, but lacrosse could be an option for you. They don't have it in schools where we live, but we found a club team for our DD, and she loved it.... playing goalie and working up to co-team captain by her junior and senior years of high school......
 
You don't have access to a basketball? Do you live in the United States?
100 feet... not very far, and if you are female, AND you haven't prepared, don't worry, you'll need less than 60'.

If your school really has no basketball (believable if you are a homeschooler - but I'm not buying it if you go to a high school), find a thrift store and buy one for $1, or borrow one from a fellow student.

Lemme, something seems "off" here. Can you please explain to relieve fencersmother's trepidation?

I do go to a high school in the United States, but still need to schedule a time to go to the gymnasium after school; the PE teachers run clubs after school and I'm not allowed to be there by myself, nor use the equipment alone, so I need to make an appointment to try this as well as get a more accurate reading on the shuttle run. I do have a basketball at home, but it is not regulation size. I probably could have measured out 100', but I don't really feel comfortable kneeling in the middle of the street and hurling a basketball down the block. I live in one of those neighborhoods people like to use as a 'freeway' even though it just loops out to the same street, and being run over isn't really a goal of mine. I've been working with a medicine ball to strengthen my shoulders, but once I figure out a safer location I want to practice by actually performing the activity.


I'm not sure where you live, but lacrosse could be an option for you. They don't have it in schools where we live, but we found a club team for our DD, and she loved it.... playing goalie and working up to co-team captain by her junior and senior years of high school......

There is a lacrosse community where I live, my middle school had a team/club. My school does not have a team, and I have not looked for a club outside of school. It might be a fun option if I can find a team that fits my schedule though.
 
Something I picked up on and nobody has responded to yet.
Girl Scouts.

If you are still active in the GSA at this point, than you should be pretty high up there. Kind of like BSA going for Eagle.

As a sophomore or junior, don't worry about the CFA. I would instead pay attention to trying to apply for the summer program that they offer for juniors.
~ Take that PSAT!

Key club in the schools my kids attended was basically a square filler for Key Club. Anyone could join. I don't know about your area, but it is probably why people are asking about what it is. Our Key Club sells the HS apparel, it is basically the booster club.

Get some leadership, and GSA may be your best bet.

I believe you need sports, but you can also think outside of the box. You stated you did TKD, but gave it up for a gym membership. How about next year you get a job that is athletic? IE get your lifesaving certificate and become a life guard at your local Y? Or go to the local dojo and get a job as a martial arts instructor.
~ It can offset the lack of sports from an EC perspective.

Think always that this is a Whole Candidate Score. It is not just one thing.

As for your friends that said those things...here is what would be my reply:
Nobody knows the day we will die except the higher being we believe in!
At least for me, I know I will defend your right to say that comment anytime you want. I am the person that is willing to make sure you can say it! I have no problem with that fact. But, hey, thanks for saying thank you to me for volunteering to defend this great country, and maybe dieing for you, so you can work at Google and design their next newest header when you chime in on your computer!
 
Something I picked up on and nobody has responded to yet.
Girl Scouts.

If you are still active in the GSA at this point, than you should be pretty high up there. Kind of like BSA going for Eagle.

I just joined GSA about a year ago; I asked my parents to join because I was jealous of my brother, who participates in BSA. Because I started late, I am have doubts as to if I will be able to get my gold, or even a silver, star. I have, however, been looking to switch to a high adventure troop (coed) because that was a lot of the reason I joined Girl Scouts.

As a sophomore or junior, don't worry about the CFA. I would instead pay attention to trying to apply for the summer program that they offer for juniors.
~ Take that PSAT!

I will be taking my PSAT, partially because the SAT is an important part of the application process and I need the prep, partially because my school requires all sophomores to take it.

Key club in the schools my kids attended was basically a square filler for Key Club. Anyone could join. I don't know about your area, but it is probably why people are asking about what it is. Our Key Club sells the HS apparel, it is basically the booster club.

Get some leadership, and GSA may be your best bet.

Key Club is a pretty easy club to participate in, that's true, but they do require some kind of proof of participation and give little certificate things for participation. I'm also registered in the NGAGE program with United Way, which will be my accredited source of community service because they do not tally hours unless the group you performed them with submits an approval. Our Key Club is mostly a place to find service opportunities; I have a focus on community service hours because it is something I enjoy and well have some kind of slot on an application. I may or may not run for office next year out of sheer peer pressure, whether that's good or not is TBD. I do, however, plan on participating in NHS my junior and senior years, so possibly running for board positions there may also provide the leadership opportunities I need.


I believe you need sports, but you can also think outside of the box. You stated you did TKD, but gave it up for a gym membership. How about next year you get a job that is athletic? IE get your lifesaving certificate and become a life guard at your local Y? Or go to the local dojo and get a job as a martial arts instructor.
~ It can offset the lack of sports from an EC perspective.

Think always that this is a Whole Candidate Score. It is not just one thing.

I have been asking my parents about competitive shooting for some time, so I may or may not start that shortly. I also looked into fencing, but my parents think that shooting may be better because I have little T-Rex arms and anything involving direct combat would generally put me at a (if only light) disadvantage, as seen previously in TKD.

I previously devoted myself to the summer camp I've been volunteering at, but life guarding might be a job I enjoy... I've done swim team in the past and am a proficient swimmer. Martial arts instructor would probably take me a while to get because I dropped off at a blue belt with a long ways to go.
 
PSAT is important as a junior because that is the only way you can become an NMSF or NMF (National Merit Semi or Finalist). Colleges look at this for merit scholarships. You need to have plan B in place at all times.

Yes, it helps for the SAT, but the bigger picture is scholarship from a merit standpoint.

GSA also offers scholarships.Look into them too.
 
I had a dinner with past Olympic Gold Medalist in Shooting, Lanny Basham, and he related how he got into competitive shooting. As a kid he was small, soft, couldn't run, couldn't throw, couldn't hit, couldn't swim, and in desperation asked the coach of a shooting team what physical skills he needed. The coach said ".....sit very, very, very still."
 
PSAT is important as a junior because that is the only way you can become an NMSF or NMF (National Merit Semi or Finalist). Colleges look at this for merit scholarships. You need to have plan B in place at all times.

Yes, it helps for the SAT, but the bigger picture is scholarship from a merit standpoint.

GSA also offers scholarships.Look into them too.

My counselors have actually already given my class the NMSQT packet to learn about so that when we take the PSAT this year we will be able to record our strengths and weaknesses for next year. I have several scholarship possibilities saved on my computer for application in the coming years as well as a plan B and C, but thank you for the advice. The AFA has just been a more recent discovery of mine; I already have several plans in place for the future, the AFA is just my prefered route at this time.


I had a dinner with past Olympic Gold Medalist in Shooting, Lanny Basham, and he related how he got into competitive shooting. As a kid he was small, soft, couldn't run, couldn't throw, couldn't hit, couldn't swim, and in desperation asked the coach of a shooting team what physical skills he needed. The coach said ".....sit very, very, very still."

Oh my lordy... That's actually really funny... Shooting is something I've been doing for fun and I like to think I'm half decent. My dad already does little "competitions" on the side that do not have an age restriction that would apply to me, I only have to build up my wrist strength so that I am more comfortable shooting higher calibers. And sitting very still is a skill that I like to believe is within my possession. I have been assured by my dad that there are team events, so if I do find that it is an activity I enjoy it should be fine so long as I do well on the fitness tests later on.
 
My son does competitive shooting and loves it! and USAFA has (or had - these things change) a rifle team so maybe you'd like to concentrate on that?
 
My son does competitive shooting and loves it! and USAFA has (or had - these things change) a rifle team so maybe you'd like to concentrate on that?

Right now I am only comfortable with a .22 LR hand gun and .22 or 223 rifle... I normally use a scope, but I learned on iron sights; do you know what they use?
 
With all due respect, I hear a lot of excuses here. The YMCA has plenty of team sports, there are tons of club sports like volleyball ( tons of volleyball teams) basketball, swimming you name it. Then there's AAU, USSSA and other organizations for sports that are nation wide. Softball, you name it.

Stop with the excuses and make it happen.
 
With all due respect, I hear a lot of excuses here. The YMCA has plenty of team sports, there are tons of club sports like volleyball ( tons of volleyball teams) basketball, swimming you name it. Then there's AAU, USSSA and other organizations for sports that are nation wide. Softball, you name it.

Stop with the excuses and make it happen.

I already recognized that I am making excuses for lack of participation in a previous post. I am, however, considering that ROTC may be a better fit for me as a student due to my current stress experience. While I plan on continuing to strive for the USAFA standards, I know that there is AFROTC at my state university, so I may choose to focus on my academics if trying to integrate sports spreads me too thin. I don't yet know my limits and if making my application competitive for the academy is outside of my capacity then I will have to look into different possible routes to the AF.

Thanks to everyone for all the insight and input.
 
I already recognized that I am making excuses for lack of participation in a previous post. I am, however, considering that ROTC may be a better fit for me as a student due to my current stress experience. While I plan on continuing to strive for the USAFA standards, I know that there is AFROTC at my state university, so I may choose to focus on my academics if trying to integrate sports spreads me too thin. I don't yet know my limits and if making my application competitive for the academy is outside of my capacity then I will have to look into different possible routes to the AF.

Thanks to everyone for all the insight and input.

Typically ROTC programs can be more competitive than the academies. Generally a bit higher avg. GPA, SAT/ACT etc etc. This is because the academies selection process at least starts out as geocentric. ROTC programs do not have that restriction and can pick from anyone across the country.
 
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