DoD: 2011 not the end in Afghanistan for U.S.

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  1. bruno

    bruno Retired Staff Member

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    http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/11/military-2011-not-end-in-afghanistan-112910/

    Just in case there was any doubt about this. 2011 is a non-event. There will continue to be lots of soldiers on the ground for a long time in this conflict.



     
  2. raimius

    raimius USAFA Alumnus

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    No big surprise there.

    Sadly, I think the long term results for Afghanistan will be similar, either way.
     
  3. Christcorp

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    Yea; I can't say that I believed any of the political rhetoric about pulling the troops out.
     
  4. Chockstock

    Chockstock "Forever One Team"

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    The sad thing is that whether we stay there for 10 years or 100 years, the country would look no more different than it did back in the 15th century. There has got to be a better way to strengthen our national security...
     
  5. hornetguy

    hornetguy USAFA Cadet

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    Here's a common misconception! Before the Soviet invasion, the country was on a strong path to being a modern nation. Look at photos of Kabul pre-Soviets and you could mistake it with an American city. Granted the entire country wasn't modern, but much of it was far beyond medieval levels. They once were an emerging nation! We always forget that when we assume they know nothing different than poverty and medieval conditions we see there now.
     
  6. raimius

    raimius USAFA Alumnus

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    Well, after 30 years of war and with a demographically young population, most Afghanis never experienced that lifestyle. It is really sad what happened to that country in less than two generations.
     
  7. hornetguy

    hornetguy USAFA Cadet

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    O, no doubt. BUT, there was a point where they weren't in poverty and centuries behind. Too many try to say they never could before so never can. Just debunking that one.
     
  8. bruno

    bruno Retired Staff Member

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    COIN standards for Afghanistan approved

    http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/12/defense-coin-standards-for-afghanistan-120210arm/

    It seems kind of after the fact here- we've been in Afghanistan for 9 years at this point and we are just now getting around to formalizing this? Clearly an indication that we persisted in fighting Afghanistan and Iraq for way too long as though they were primarily conventional conflicts.
    TPG- have you seen this document? Is this something revolutionary or mostly just a compilation of lessons learned?
     
  9. Chockstock

    Chockstock "Forever One Team"

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    I think they still share the greater part of the blame. Yes, I know they are a country that has endured successive invasions by Western powers over the centuries but there are other many other countries who have overcome foreign occupation and war. More than blaming it on being invaded, I think it has more to do with the fundamental problems in their society that they cannot overcome. Every nation has its low points in history. Iraq used to be the greatest center of learning and science back in early medieval times...but none of that matters now because they were unable to carry on that legacy. Maybe 300 years from now their roles will be reversed with ours, but that is for another generation to deal with, and 10+ years of armed occupation in this generation will not achieve that.
     
  10. hornetguy

    hornetguy USAFA Cadet

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    Chock, I'm not talking about centuries of western invasions. They were a modern world in many areas with hospitals, non-burqa-ed women, and universities prior to the Soviet Invasion. That was the 1980s! We're talking 30 years ago, not 300 years ago!
     
  11. Chockstock

    Chockstock "Forever One Team"

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    Prior to our occupation in Afghanistan now, the USSR invasion and war was the next recent conflict there and it didn't happen too long ago. The Soviet-Afghan War pretty much set the stage for a weak Afghan state that turned into a breeding ground for terrorists and factional fighting between peoples of differing religious beliefs.
     

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