DOD budget cuts article

The number 1 Cadet on the OML was assessed to USAR or ARNG. For the last 3 years, no Cadets in my BN that have requested reserve component have been forced to go AD. My understanding is that this is a possibility and has occurred as recently as the surge in Iraq.

Of course serving in USAR or ARNG is not necessarily the same thing as never seeing active duty.
 
In the end of the day the military will have to make cuts somewhere.

The question for AROTC will be can they continue to afford to pay 4 yr scholarships for cadets that can opt out to go USAR or ARNG?

The fact that the number 1 cadet on the OML had the luxury to opt not going AD supports my position that some will take it for the college education, and the Army AD actually lost out from a personnel perspective.

AF and Navy that luxury doesn't exist. You WILL GO AD if you are commissioned.

The return on the their investment is not profitable in times like the 90's... From 92 to 01 that cadet most likely was never deployed.

For AF they have a thing called Palace Chase. AD members apply to serve out their commitment as an USAFR or ANG member.

Again, they must 1st serve AD and than apply for it. Back in the late 90's Palace Chase was handed out like scholarships, but the AF at least had them serve yrs as an AD.

I don't follow the thought process that a cadet with number 1 OML on scholarship has the ability to opt out. Yes, I get they owe X amount of yrs, but... I hope among all of my hopes we will be back to the 90's and operational conflicts will be reduced. If my hopes become reality, than please answer how the Army got their return for the #1`cadet that never had to go AD? AF still got it because EVERYONE goes AD.

If it is such a great idea, why doesn't the USMA allow their cadets to opt out like AROTC? Remember AFROTC cadets must serve AD just like AFA cadets...difference is AFROTC owes 4 yrs and AFA owes 5.
 
Just because they serve AD does not mean the Army/AF/Navy got their moneys worth.

I agree that it doesn't seem to make sense but then I don't have all of the information to see the whoe picture.
 
I chose Pima's quote below as its the first one I encountered, but several folks have argued the same way.

So in other words, you can get an AROTC scholarship and not be forced to live one day AD? Sorry my cranium is spinning because what I am reading is that the Army is paying 10's of thousands a yr for a scholarship and on top of that will pay them their reservist pay as they work for the corporate world. That seems insane from a business standpoint

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but....
1. Hasn't it been quite common over the last couple of decades for the reserves/guard to be called up for duty in these Mideast wars?
2. Don't the reserves need officers too?
3. Have we ever been able to plan (somewhat long term) when we will go to war and therefore need reserve officers?

I certainly admit that on the surface the AROTC policy seems a bit ridiculous but lets face it, the guys running the show aren't total idiots. I'm sure this makes sense on some level. It does to me anyway. We also have to remember that if we ever have a MAJOR war (and god forbid we do) then it will the the army that grows the fastest and largest.
 
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I chose Pima's quote below as its the first one I encountered, but several folks have argued the same way.



I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but....
1. Hasn't it been quite common over the last couple of decades for the reserves/guard to be called up for duty in these Mideast wars?
2. Don't the reserves need officers too?
3. Have we ever been able to plan (somewhat long term) when we will go to war and therefore need reserve officers?

I certainly admit that on the surface the AROTC policy seems a bit ridiculous but lets face it, the guys running the show aren't total idiots. I'm sure this makes sense on some level. It does to me anyway. We also have to remember that if we ever have a MAJOR war (and god forbid we do) then it will the the army that grows the fastest and largest.

I'm glad someone brought up these points, I'll add a few of my own.

The reserve commitment is 8 years.

The AD commitment is 4 years AD and 4 years IRR.

If you don't think the Reserves and National Guard are worth the money spent on scholarships to recruit officer your mistaken. Just ask the thousands of reserve and NG that have been deployed over the last 10 years, ask them how may times they have been the victim of Stop Loss. During the first couple years of the Iraq war the percentage of reserve and NG that were called to AD was staggering.

The Army has the largest Reserve in the military for a reason, again just look at the past 10 years, they will always need officers of every level. Remember the NG is not just a combat force, you don't need to look further then the last natural disaster to see their worth, they have even been deployed to our souther boarder by the thousands.

The number of cadets that choose reserves are outnumbered by those that go AD.

Again the commitment for a reserve is 8 years. Take 2 cadets, one goes AD and one goes reserve and graduates the same year. Fast forward 4 years, the AD is able to dive after 4 and go IRR, the reservist is still on the hook for 4 more years. Should a conflict start 2 years later the reservist will be the first called up, once they exhaust the reserves then they will look to the IRR.

The Army maintains a large reserve force specifically for this reason. 8 years ago they found that the reserve level was lower then the need.

Without a large reserve force of both enlisted and officers to augment the AD we may find we are caught with our pants down.

Not that long ago ROTC was primarily a source for reserve officers, very few went AD, in fact they were not even considered Regular Officers until Congress changed that.

The money spent for reserve officers over the past 8 years or so has been well spent. No doubt now that the need is decreasing the scholarships will as well.

Just to add fuel to the fire, there are actually Army GRFD Scholarships that are awarded for ROTC, these scholarships require the cadet to go reserves, there is no chance they can go active, this is how important and strategic the Army considers the reserves and NG.

Sorry for the Rant...Just saying
 
Just to add fuel to the fire, there are actually Army GRFD Scholarships that are awarded for ROTC, these scholarships require the cadet to go reserves, there is no chance they can go active, this is how important and strategic the Army considers the reserves and NG.

For current Cadets that are non-scholarship, GRFD is a more likely possibility for scholarships than traditional On-Campus scholarships.
 
Yes, I know for the past decade many, many reservists were called up multiple times.

Yet, for the decade prior to that they weren't called up to the level now. We cannot look into the future and say they will or they won't. We are not psychic.

However, what we do know is that the DOD is going to take a hit and ROTC will likely take that hit along with the AD and retiree world.

So the question becomes where and how will they cut their budget? Do they continue to send 100% of the cadets to summer training? Do they change the regs to if you accept a scholarship you will go AD regardless of your OML? Do they offer even less scholarships? Do they cut staffing at the units?

My point about reservists was not intended to say they are not needed, but to illustrate that it costs money to send them to school via a scholarship. Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't the Army said they are cutting their manpower needs by 27K troops for FY15 and 16. A yr that these cadets will becoming on line.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2011/01/army-cuts-let-army-keep-soldiers-010611w/
Starting in 2015, the Army will begin to reduce the size of its active-duty force by 27,000 troops. However, until then, it will be able to maintain a force larger than 547,000. Under Gate’s plan the Army will cut 13,500 soldiers in 2015 and another 13,500 in 2016 and end up with an end strength of 520,400.

http://www.koaa.com/news/army-facing-cut-backs-and-getting-creative/
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta says the Army must be creative in figuring out what it will look like in a future of declining defense budgets.

Speaking Wednesday at the annual meeting of the soldier advocacy group Association of the United States Army, Panetta said the military will be smaller and will have to give up some of its capabilities and missions around the world.

But he said the service that has borne the brunt of the last decade of war also has become more adaptable, experienced and lethal. And he called on Army leaders to help him come up with new ideas and new ways of operating as the nation's budget and debt crises force cuts across the military.

Panetta only said this a week ago.

So I am just pointing out that it appears he is going to decrease the op tempo, and if he does than the reservists tempo will decrease too. Which brings me back to if ROTC has to cut deep is it fiscally intelligent to offer scholarships with no guarantee of AD service?

People tend to forget what the military was like in the early 90's which was the last time they were truly hit financially. Panetta is not for giving up weapons if he can find the money somewhere else.

Back in the 90's. People were cut constantly, AD O4 promotion boards hit an all time low, and were sped up so they can use the 2 and out rule. They also implemented SERBing. Scholarships basically became non-existent and many cadets, even non-scholarship were cut loose prior to commissioning. Those that were able to stay saw commitments owed increased...UPT went from 7 to 8 to 9 and landed at 10.

At the same time new hardware was still coming off the production line.

Nothing personal, but this is all about dollars and cents, and trying to maintain the quality level while reducing the costs.

The military is a business. It has budget constraints like any corporation, it is just that their business in defending or nation.

The biggest problem for the military is commitment time owed back. Nobody in 07 when offering scholarships to 2012 group thought that the economy would be in the tanks for those 5 yrs, thus the class of 07 commissioning are not leaving at the rate they predicted when they gave them scholarships in 03. Nobody in 09 when they created the FY10 budget expected that the DOD would be forced to reduce their budget by 10% while at the same time fight 2 conflict/wars.

Yet, that is where we are at now. We have too many AD members and that directly impacts ROTC and the number needed. We call it a pipeline for a reason.

Ironically, what will probably happen is what always has happened...they cut deep and a few yrs later when the economy improves they say OH CRAP, we need more personnel. That is when they start pumping in scholarship money, higher pay raises, bonuses, faster promotion rates, etc.

Look at 92/93...blood bath, and 5 yrs later pay raises for the yr groups they cut hard were @10% every yr for about 3 yrs.

This also happened in the 80's after Carter had hollowed the military, Reagan came in and threw money at the military...which is why we had the problem in 92 because obviously he didn't see the Gulf war or a recession occurring in 91, at the same point that many of these members were able to leave for the 1st time. Do the math...applied for the scholarship in 81 for 86 commissioning... 4 yrs later we had the war, and when it was done the economy tanked, which forced DOD to cut their budget.

The military could be classified medically as bulimic.
 
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I'm much less in the know than all of you, but my suggestion to save AROTC scholarship dollars in a small way is to eliminate the 1st year no pay back rule. Call it sour grapes, but one of DS's scholarship cadets has already dropped the program(4-5 weeks in, too late for reimbursement of tuition, room grant, at least book and stiped had not been paid out yet). Young man told the cadre he just had no idea what he was getting into...:eek: and it was so much harder to do college work and be at 3 pts sessions + lab once a week.....:rant2: I know this would not be a huge savings, but if the SMPs can raise their right hands to reserve or guard duty in order to get into the running for AD/OML system then the no pay back for national scholarship winners seems a bit wasteful. Okay, sorry for the rant...I feel better:wink:
 
Pima - please just stop.
Please read and re-read again Jcleppe's post # 46. Please do this before you make anymore comments or wilda$$ assumptions.
Stop trying to argue with people who actually know what they are talking about - it's exhausting becuase all of this has been said in prior posts and prior threads.
I and now Jcleppe have made many attempts to communicate this to you on this and other threads - obviously to no avail.

Please stop comparing Army and AF polices and officer assession programs. They are two completely different programs - with little in common.

Army ROTC is an Officer Assession program for the Active Duty Army, Army National Guard and Army Reserves.
Every year each of these three programs has a legitimate NEED for 2LTs. This is true whether or not we are *binging* or *purging* in peace time or war time in a good economy or bad ecomony.

The program to which a AROTC cadet will assess is determined by the NEEDS of the Army and each particular cadet's order of merit.
If the Army needs Reserve 2LT's and the #1 cadet wants it - they get what they want. It is really that simple.

Having a Scholarship is NOT a guarantee for getting Active Duty just because you want it.
Signing up for ROTC without a scholarship is not a guarantee that you will be contracted.

Scholarships are used to recruit young people into an officer assession program. Do they all get to the finish line? No. This is a given.
IF supply is greater than demand than scholarships decrease.
In times of very high need - (during the height of the wars) - scholarships are freely handed out. Scholarship dollars come and scholarship dollars go.

There are very valid and legitimate reasons that a ROTC cadet would want to assess into the Guard or Reserves - this is honorable service - not to be considered as someone who is purposefully evading their commitment. That you should suggest this is insulting.

In case you haven't realized it - these two wars have been largely fought by Reserve and Guard soldiers. These folks have sacrificed dearly without the benefits of being in the Active Army. Please do not continue to insult this service.
 
Go Army/ROTC

The Go Army/ROTC website appears to have de-emphasized the monetary aspect of the program. The headline is now "Army ROTC Teaches You to Lead", which is after all, the primary focus and incentive to prospective participants.

My recollection is that in prior years the most prominent feature of the first page was that ROTC provided a way to pay for college through scholarships.
 
Pima - please just stop.
Please read and re-read again Jcleppe's post # 46. Please do this before you make anymore comments or wilda$$ assumptions.
Stop trying to argue with people who actually know what they are talking about - it's exhausting becuase all of this has been said in prior posts and prior threads.
I and now Jcleppe have made many attempts to communicate this to you on this and other threads - obviously to no avail.

Please stop comparing Army and AF polices and officer assession programs. They are two completely different programs - with little in common.

Army ROTC is an Officer Assession program for the Active Duty Army, Army National Guard and Army Reserves.
Every year each of these three programs has a legitimate NEED for 2LTs. This is true whether or not we are *binging* or *purging* in peace time or war time in a good economy or bad ecomony.

The program to which a AROTC cadet will assess is determined by the NEEDS of the Army and each particular cadet's order of merit.
If the Army needs Reserve 2LT's and the #1 cadet wants it - they get what they want. It is really that simple.

Having a Scholarship is NOT a guarantee for getting Active Duty just because you want it.
Signing up for ROTC without a scholarship is not a guarantee that you will be contracted.

Scholarships are used to recruit young people into an officer assession program. Do they all get to the finish line? No. This is a given.
IF supply is greater than demand than scholarships decrease.
In times of very high need - (during the height of the wars) - scholarships are freely handed out. Scholarship dollars come and scholarship dollars go.

There are very valid and legitimate reasons that a ROTC cadet would want to assess into the Guard or Reserves - this is honorable service - not to be considered as someone who is purposefully evading their commitment. That you should suggest this is insulting.

In case you haven't realized it - these two wars have been largely fought by Reserve and Guard soldiers. These folks have sacrificed dearly without the benefits of being in the Active Army. Please do not continue to insult this service.

Very good points Justamom. One other point that I would like to make to those interested in ROTC:
Nobody here has a Crystal all and can tell you how the budget cuts will play out in your case. a 50% budget could would still result in a lot of scholarships out there to be awarded- which you can only get if you apply . Your chances are better for a scholarship if you work as hard as you can in HS and on your SATs. Will you get one - I can't tell you that- but I guarantee tha tyou will not if you don't apply. Do you want to be an Army officer and don't get a scholarship? That's possible too. A scholarship is not the deciding factor in commissioning. Performance while in college and in ROTC is the key. The higher you stand on your OML- the more options that you will have to commission how and where you choose -whether that is going AD, or going into the USAR or National Guard. (And I should rebut Pima at this point- The Army will use the Guard and Reserve more- not less in the coming years, and they have used them A LOT in the last decade!)

Trying to figure out how the budget will affect you is really unproductive- nobody knows and you can't control it. If you want to be an Army Officer- do your best and things will fall out how they will.
 
Ohio,

Maybe that is a true option for saving money.

I know at VT for cadets, scholarship or not, if they drop out of ROTC within the first few months, they are politely asked to leave the college. Mainly because it was expected they would be in the Corps, which is a recruitment tool for the college.

JAM,

I respect Jcleppe, and his position. However, the true topic of this discussion is that the military will be cutting costs, and personnel will be a part of those cuts.

Now when you look at ROTC and how each branch has a different system, you can only be left to compare them. I didn't use NROTC because the posters discussing the topic were either AFROTC or AROTC. There was no dubious motive when I compared he two, if an NROTC poster posted their system I would compare them too.

I compared them because from a fiscal perspective and cutting the budget.

Fact:
AFROTC does not send 100% to SFT. Scholarship recipients not selected for this training lose their scholarship.

AROTC does send 100% to LDAC.

These training assignments are not free, and it eats into the budget. The more you send the more you pay.

If you look at it from OMG an AF POV, they already are at the bone for this issue, whereas, the Army can reduce costs by saying we will only send 85%, and the rest...SORRY, you can still stay in AROTC, but you will lose the opportunity for AD or you lose your scholarship. Both save money for the Army.

Fact:
AROTC offers a different scholarship program where it is not Types. Granted they must place an IS on the list, but please show me the % that got the AFROTC Type 1.

AFROTC offers only 5% to Type 1. Now if AROTC offers 10% to Private, than they have room there to cut. AFROTC has even taken it to the point that 75% get Type 7 (IS) only, and if they want they can opt to a Type 2 for 3 yrs, bu remember the only difference between 2 and 7 is that 2 allows you to pay out of pocket the difference from the IS cost, and 7 doesn't. So in the end they are even saving more money because many convert to a 2.

Use Ohio's last post as an example. That cadet wouldn't have cost a dime to the AF if they converted their scholarship when accepting it from a 7 to a 3 yr 2.

Thus, saving money for AFROTC.

Fact:
AF has the ANG and USAFR. However, for AFROTC scholarship this is not an option right out of college, where it is for AROTC.

I am not and have never denied that over the past decade the Army has carried the brunt. I am stating that for a business plan when you have to make cuts, and listening to SOD Panetta state that his strategic plan for op tempo will be reduced, than you need to place that into the equation, and the Reserve issue is a part of the equation.

Are you willing right now to bet that in 4 yrs from now the Op Tempo will be at this same level? Aren't you hoping that it returns to the tempo pre-9/11? If so, than you must admit the majority of these cadets will not be deployed.

I am truly sorry you believe that I think it is less than honorable to serve in the guard. I have never felt that way.

Again though this isn't about honor, this is about logically how do you cut the ROTC budget. Tell me JAM, give me your perspective of how to cut it by at least 10%.

Remember Army is the biggest of the three. Panetta has stated hardware is not on the table. That only leaves personnel.

You want to attack me because I am breaking this down and illustrating where there are areas that could be more vulnerable than other areas, go for it, but please keep it to the topic, and not personal.

All I ask is that you illustrate where you think AROTC can cut spending without doing damage to caliber of training and the true goal of the Army's mission. Please, tell me where that 10% is coming from.

Should they say buh bye to paying for books? Should they charge cadets for uniforms? Should they have less AD officers assigned to the unit? Should they reduce scholarships even further than where they are at now, which is already an all time low?

Tell me where you can see squeezing out those pennies? Remember at the exact same time the Army has publicly stated for those cadets graduating in 15 and 16, they expect to cut 27K troops. Understood they are not saying 27K officers, but let's be real they are not all going to be enlisted either. Are you saying that the AD world should cut them before AROTC cuts their manpower? If not, than you are saying that AROTC needs to cut the amount flowing in right now even if it is just 1 cadet. Notice it is FY 15 and 16, the yrs that are right now eligible for scholarships (3 or 4 yr)
 
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Just A Mom said:
Pima - please just stop.

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on that point, JAM. There are so many facets to this military budget issue, and PIMA brings up many points that are learned only by having been there and observed all this for over 25 years.

Since the Budget issue affects everyone -- ROTC, Active Duty, Reserves, Parents, siblings, benefactors, etc., everyone needs as much perspective as they can get, even in cases where a reader determines that the information (in their opinion) is no longer applicable, slightly off target to the discusssion, etc.
 
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Bruno,

I agree with you that the only 100% guarantee anyone can give is you have 0% chance if you don't try.

I have no bone in this fight because it doesn't impact any of my 3 kids. My posts are from a perspective of how these cuts may change ROTC as we know it currently.

Theoretically even if they only hit the AD and retiree world, it will still impact ROTC, but ROTC will have a lag time until they feel it. The reason why is because if they cut AD officers, using a RIF, that means they will need less to come in and replace them later on.

The military always tries to maintain a % between officers and enlisted, and than % between Flag to Field to Company. If they have too many in ROTC compared to AD, creating a bulge for certain yr groups, they will have to re-work it to get the numbers in line. That may be decreasing the amount that go AD and increasing Reserve slots, HOWEVER, what if the Reserves also have the same amount of bloating? Now what?

If we really bring it down to one statement and why the military is feeling the pain it is simple...THE ECONOMY!

Until we get the economy under control, the military will have issues. There has always been the correlation that when the economy is bad, retention rate in the military has been high. When the economy is bad, tax revenues decrease forcing govt to constrict their budgets. That now leaves you with too many members and a smaller budget, so cuts have to be made. This is where we are at today.

It's just business...it is not personal.
 
PIMA said:
I am truly sorry you believe that I think it is less than honorable to serve in the guard
Well, you have to admit it is easy to make the jump from your position: "the Army is not getting a return on its investment with Guard/Reserves", to "Reserves/Guard isn't as important or honorable as AD".

If the Army were not getting its money's worth, then Guard/Reserves would be downsized. But they're not, so whoever has the big human resources budget Optomization Computer in Virginia sees that Guard/Reserve is as good an investment for Army ROTC as forced AD (like N and AF) would be.

Think of the Reserves/Guard as a "Force Readiness" Insurance policy. I'm sure you drive a car. Every year, you pay many hundreds or a few thousand dollars to the Insurance company, and in almost every year, at leat 90% of the time, you paid all that premium and you didn't collect a dime in return. Is the Insurance policy not worth it because you didn't collect on it that year? What about the year where a bee flew in your window, you were distracted, and you plowed into another car... and in the end, the Property damage and medical was $80,000? That's surely more than all the premium you paid your entire life up until that point.

With Reserves/Guard, when they aren't deployed, it's like the insurance policy when there was no claim on it... lot's of money paid out, none coming back. But in 2003 on up through 2009, that policy paid out WAY more than was ever collected in Premiums.
 
Bruno,

I agree with you that the only 100% guarantee anyone can give is you have 0% chance if you don't try.

I have no bone in this fight because it doesn't impact any of my 3 kids. My posts are from a perspective of how these cuts may change ROTC as we know it currently.

Theoretically even if they only hit the AD and retiree world, it will still impact ROTC, but ROTC will have a lag time until they feel it. The reason why is because if they cut AD officers, using a RIF, that means they will need less to come in and replace them later on.

The military always tries to maintain a % between officers and enlisted, and than % between Flag to Field to Company. If they have too many in ROTC compared to AD, creating a bulge for certain yr groups, they will have to re-work it to get the numbers in line. That may be decreasing the amount that go AD and increasing Reserve slots, HOWEVER, what if the Reserves also have the same amount of bloating? Now what?

If we really bring it down to one statement and why the military is feeling the pain it is simple...THE ECONOMY!

Until we get the economy under control, the military will have issues. There has always been the correlation that when the economy is bad, retention rate in the military has been high. When the economy is bad, tax revenues decrease forcing govt to constrict their budgets. That now leaves you with too many members and a smaller budget, so cuts have to be made. This is where we are at today.

It's just business...it is not personal.

Pima, I think everyone here agrees with you that ROTC is going to take serious cuts and is going to change. I don't see how anyone could disagree.

However, it doesn't seem worthwhile (to me anyway) to speculate on how it will or should change on this forum. I don't think SOD Panetta is reading this thread. Additionally there is an election coming up/underway and mounting threats in various areas of the globe that don't care if our economy is good or bad. Who knows what will happen and how it will impact ROTC?

I, for one, prefer to leave the passionate discussions on things I can't affect up to the brass. I think the point for this forum that we CAN make a real contribution to is re-emphasizing what bruno pointed out in his post.... it's going to be even MORE competitive; and you can't win the competition if you don't apply while doing your very best to succeed.... and have plans A - Z ready.... as I think we've all done with the newbies.
 
Dunninla,

I see your point, but that was never my intentions. My intentions are purely dollars and cents.

Let's say that reservist goes to a college where the tuition costs 20K a yr, add in stipends, books, and training over the next 4 yrs. You are hitting 100K.

Now, believe it or not I am optimistic when it comes to military conflicts, and I believe we are winding down with these conflicts.

So now let's say we remove our troops from Afghanistan and Iraq to only 25K troops, while we also go back to pre-9/11 days.

Would you say that offering 100K for a cadet that goes reservist which will not be deployed at the rate as an AD or would you say that maybe the Army should say take the scholarship and you go AD?

That is my point. Not that one is better than the other, but when you have a limited budget you make choices. We do it everyday with our own finances. We can't have everything we want and we have to pare down to live within our constraints. That may mean you have chicken instead of steak. That may mean you buy neither and instead you buy pasta.

None of them are better or worse when you eat them, the difference is the cost.

I truly cannot say from the bottom of my heart enough that I do not believe going Reserve is a negative. It is not. I still believe your life is worth more than mine because you put your life on the line for me so I could write this post.
 
Kinnem,

You are probably right this thread has actually become more political than anything else.

I agree it is more important to remove the political and strongly suggest to candidates that because of cuts it is very important to submit the strongest packet you can. That was my original intention when I started the thread.

pima said:
It is an interesting read, but only 1 sentence glared out at me as an ROTC parent

Quote:
"Some in Congress want the Pentagon to look at a 25 percent cut in the half-billion-dollar tuition-aid program"
I am not sure if this is ROTC or TA for AD members. If it is ROTC that is a huge cut regarding scholarships. Honestly, I would think that if they have to make deep cuts and it is between ROTC tuition-aid and AD world (manpower, hardware), the DOD is going to hit ROTC. Or at the very least re-work it.

The thread took a life of its own from there.

It is also important to emphasize to candidates that many cadets received the letter of "At this time we are unable..." and beat out the cadets that got "Congratulations, we are honored..." for OML.

Scholarship or no scholarship means nothing when you show up for your 1st day in any ROTC program. What matters is your drive and desire to be commissioned. Cadets/mids do not discuss who is or isn't scholarship. They discuss their potentials or lack there of.
 
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