dual citizenship

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  1. socalmomof3

    socalmomof3 Member

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    If someone is appointed to USNA, that was born in the US and is therefore a US citizen, but has acquired a Mexico dual citizenship, what, if anything, needs to be done before I-day?
     
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    You must turn in a passport from the other country if you have one and renounce citizenship. Call admissions to ask how.
     
  3. socalmomof3

    socalmomof3 Member

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    2018midmom-
    He has never had a foreign passport. I called USNA admissions to ask how this is done. The person who answered the phone said that she wasn't sure how to do it. She said that she wasn't even sure that it needed to be done until commissioning to an Officer. I emailed the Admissions Counselor and she said that the citizenship needed to be renounced before I-day but she did not tell us how to do it. I have emailed her back to ask how it is done, but so far I have not received a reply.
     
  4. Blondie1

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    DS had dual citizenship similar to you. Born in U.S. had only US passport, but also had Canadian citizenship. As soon as he received his appointment DH contacted Canadian consulate and requested paperwork for renouncing citizenship. (All paperwork was immediately mailed by the Canadian Consulate) DS completed and returned all paperwork prior to IDay. He did have an interview once the AC year began from someone at the academy regarding the renouncing of his Canadian citizenship and his family ties to Canada. As far as I know everything is cleared and he has all his security clearances at the academy.

    I'm guessing there is a Mexican consulate you may call for the necessary paperwork.

    Hope that helps.
     
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  5. 2018midmom

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    Call the state department. It needs to be done for the security clearance paperwork which is completed during plebe summer.
     
  6. socalmomof3

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    Blondie1-
    Thank you! It is great to hear from someone who has done this already. I will contact the Mexican Consulate. Did your DS receive anything back from the Canadian Consulate that he brought with him to I-day to prove that he had renounced his citizenship?

    2018midmom-
    When you say State Department, which department do you think could help us?
     
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    I remember us being stressed that his dual citizenship might adversely affect his appointment. So I imagine you are experiencing similar stress regarding the situation. Finalized paperwork with his renounced citizenship did not arrive until after IDay--wasn't an issue. The fact that he had already completed and returned the paperwork was all the academy was interested in.
     
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  8. suddensam

    suddensam USNA BGO

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    You don't need to call the State Department, nor the Mexican Consulate.

    First, you may want to review Section I.8 of the Permit to Report Booklet. I've copied it below for your reference:

    "Complete the Standard Form-86 to the best of your ability and return in the manila envelope addressed to the “Commandant of Midshipmen.” This form is required to process you for a SECRET clearance. You will need to provide specific information on the SF-86 worksheet that will be returned to you following Plebe Summer to assist you in completing an online, computerized SF-86. Make sure you answer all the questions accurately so that you do not delay your clearance...

    The possession and use of a foreign passport in preference to a U.S. passport raises doubts as to whether the individual’s allegiance to the United States is paramount. Clearance will be denied or revoked unless the foreign passport is surrendered. Anyone who possesses a foreign passport must return the passport to the appropriate country’s embassy or consulate, requesting a return endorsement. In lieu of returning the passport, it may be brought to the USNA Personnel Security office for documenting and witnessing its destruction. If you choose to return the passport the endorsement will be a prerequisite to any security clearance determination and must be provided to the USNA Personnel Security office when the online SF-86 is submitted."

    The entire procedure will be facilitated by the USNA Security Office. In that same section of the Permit to Report booklet, it gives you a contact in the Security Office if you have questions. I just didn't want to publish his name in an open forum, but you can look it up.

    If you had a passport, you would have to surrender it and witness its destruction. You are also asked to sign something indicating that you are willing to renounce your foreign citizenship. Whether you are actually required to do so is a decision that is made by the Security Office during their investigation.

    The most important thing is to declare your dual citizenship on the SF-86. Navy will take it from there.
     
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    Blondie1-You are exactly correct. We are feeling stressed about this affecting his appointment. Thank you for your information and reassuring words! It is definitely helping our stress!

    Suddensam- Thank you!
     
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    DS is a Plebe who had Dual citizenship until very recently and after the security interviews earlier this semester. He had always indicated on paperwork that he would give up other password but we had no chance to get into embassy for various reasons. So, during his security interview he was told to book an appointment with the Personnel Office where he gave them his passport.

    Not an issue at any point in time for DS.

    Enjoy the preparation, it goes by quickly from now until I-Day!
     
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    JShawshank-
    This is really good news! I feel like a weight has been lifted off of my shoulders because I was getting so worried about how to get this done. DS has never had a foreign passport so I wonder what they would want him to do? He has no problem doing whatever the Academy wants him to do. So if I am understanding you correctly, your DS did not do anything about his dual citizenship before I-day (other than indicating it on SF-86, I assume). It was dealt with at a later time.
     
  12. JShawshank

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    @socalmomof3 - That's correct - just indicated anywhere it was relevant (which was probably just on SF-86 - I can't honestly remember). He had is foreign passport with him from I-day onwards and I encouraged (hounded a little ;)) him to contact the Personnel Security Office proactively - but he never did. As I said, it was fine for DS in the end but I would still advocate for being proactive on this just in case. I think this is especially so in your case since your DS doesn't have, and has never had, a foreign passport. Not sure they would even consider that 'dual citizenship' - but that's what the Personnel Security Office at USNA can answer!
     
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    JShawshank-
    Thank you!
     
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    suddensam USNA BGO

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    They would. There is a difference between having foreign citizenship and having a foreign passport. You can have the former without ever getting the latter, but you cannot have the latter without first having the former.

    I am not sure what you mean about being "proactive" here. I would suggest just following USNA's process. You generally wind up in trouble otherwise.

    Just to credentialze my advice a little, I am a BGO, a dual citizen myself (Italy), have a current appointee who is also a dual citizen, and spoke to the Candidate Guidance Office and Personnel Security office less than two weeks ago on this exact topic, on behalf of my appointee. The suggestion I posted earlier was their advice almost verbatim.
     
  15. JShawshank

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    @suddensam - I didn't mean to sound as if you information was being questioned. Rather, just passing along what happened with DS and hopefully supplementing your info on the margin.

    I completely understand that you can be a 'citizen' without a passport. In the case of USNA, you have to sign whatever docs that say you renounce citizenship and the text you referenced is referring to passport destruction/return. In the event a candidate/MIDN doesn't have a passport from said country than it's on them not to get one but no other document reflects that - as far as I know. My comment on 'would they consider that 'dual citizenship' was just short hand for the preceding.

    In DS's case, I had the impression that something would happen with the SF-86 'soon' after it was sent to USNA and that wasn't the case. It got returned to him (and all Plebes) after PS and he had a chance to review/add to the form before 'final' submission. The actual "security" interview wasn't until the spring semester and his other passport was with him at USNA until he had a meeting with Personnel Security Office after Spring Break. My "proactive" comment was just a suggestion that the OP or her DS call CGO or Personnel Office to alleviate any concerns or questions - nothing like hearing it with your own ears to settle the nerves! :)
     
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    Does anyone know if the process is the same for ROTC?
    My son was born outside the US. He has a FS 240 certificate, acknowledging he is a US citizen from birth.
    He had to present the original FS240 at his ROTC interview. They made a copy but said nothing more about it.
    His mother and I are both US born citizens.
    The country he was born in grants citizenship to anyone born in that country.
    We returned to the US prior to his second birthday. He has not returned to the other country and his passport issued there, and his ID card, with his tiny thumb print, has long since expired.
     
  17. AJC

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    Posted too soon.
    Followed the other link above.
    All pretty clear
    Thanks
     

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