Dual enrollment grade

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  1. jimalt

    jimalt New Member

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    Hello all, in my junior year of high school I took a dual enrollment class and had a poor grade in the class (71 or C-). I was wondering if I should include the transcript for this class on my AROTC scholarship application to show that I was taking as challenging courses as I could, or omit it so cadet command does not get the wrong impression about my academics, as a final grade this low is very uncharacteristic for me.
     
  2. kinnem

    kinnem Moderator

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    I don't think you get to choose what's in your transcript. Every course you took gets included, regardless of grade. Even if you had a choice, it might very well depend on what the subject matter was. If it was Underwater Basket Weaving 101 then they probably won't care about the grade. If it was Calculus then it might have an impact, but then I suspect they would also consider that you were a Junior.
     
  3. Strength and Honor

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    Yeah, CC will see your transcript and that class will be on it no matter what.
     
  4. jimalt

    jimalt New Member

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    Well it's a separate transcript from the high school transcript I already provided, and the application gives the option to upload the college transcript so I do have the choice to include it or to omit it.
     
  5. Jcleppe

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    It may give you the option, but your transcript may have it included, if not then it's up to you if you hide it or not.
     
  6. jimalt

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    My current transcript does NOT have it included. I know it's up to me if I want to include it or not, but I still would like advice on the matter.
     
  7. Strength and Honor

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    Well if it affected your GPA, might as well show CC that it was a college class you got the C in. But if it did not affect your GPA, I wouldn't show it.
     
  8. Pima

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    I am going to take a different path than other posters.

    1. A sealed transcript is not necessarily the same as what you can view if your school is computer savvy. I.E. We sign up online and can see everything regarding grades any hour, any day, earned at the HS, but not the CC grades. Ye,t because of our district those CC grades show up at the end of the college semester, and will show up when the Dec. semester (2nd quarter HS) transcripts are posted, it just appears at that point.
    ~~~ Talk to your GC and find if it is certain that is how it works. Not saying it doesn't, just saying

    2. I oppose you hiding it. I feel like this is violating two of the most important things in the military. Integrity FIRST. Service before SELF.
    ~~~ It rings to me the issue many discuss on this site for the idea of gaming the scholarship. Sorry, but that is my opinion. You are lucky and can opt not to report it, but another kid in a school district that doesn't allow it, has to live with it.
    ~ Not saying you are, just saying if you are correct and you get the option, then elect to not include, the question you need to ask is did you place integrity first, or the $$$ first for the scholarship (yourself).

    3. Tied to #2. If you need the scholarship to matriculate to your dream schools for financial purposes, than please read more threads.
    ~~~ The majority of posters will tell you it is a heavy burden to carry, because it carries very unique aspects. You really won't know if you enjoy ROTC until you are in it, and you can leave with no harm/foul after the 1st yr., but than you have to find the money for 3 more yrs. You stick it out to pay for college and owe 4 yrs at least after college.

    Finally, the boards look at the rigor of your academic course load to even the playing field. A C- in college as a junior is not OMG my chances are over! However, I will say a 71 in our state is a pure D-, as a HS student. 93 is an A, 85 =B, 78= C, 70 =D, 69 = F.

    I am saying this so you understand colleges and ROTC have their own system when it comes to the process, and looking at the school profile/course Rigor/class standing/course weighting all comes into the equation.

    A kid with a 4.52 wcgpa may not be accepted while the 3.98 will be accepted. Reason why? Their cgpa could be a 7 pt scale, the weight for AP could be 4.5, pre-reqs for Honors, AP/IB, Dual, 50% of the class go Ivy, and they opted for more safeties/matches with no reaches, while the other opted to shoot for the moon placing only reaches.

    The idea that every HS in this nation has the exact same grading scale or dual enrollment is a fallacy. You need to understand that they do look deeper because of this exact reason.
    ~ If you were my child I would have you sit with the GC and ask, how will this C- impact my class rank? Is a dual enrollment the same weight as an AP/IB? How about the college selection process, will it hurt me if I drop it? (Have you checked Naviance?)

    GCs are employed to assist you as a HS student. Ask for an appointment, if it means missing lunch one day, I am sure you will agree the lunch food stinks, and you can place a power bar in your backpack. Afterall, 1 day of missing lunch is worth a dream.

    Best wishes, hopes and thoughts. Thank you for desiring to serve this great nation.
     
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  9. jimalt

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    Thanks for the great response Pima! Luckily the high school did not count the class toward anything in the high school (including GPA, class standing, graduation requirement, etc.) so it is just a single, stand-alone grade at the university where I took the course.
     
  10. bruno

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    Jimalt- if this was a course that you chose to take at the local CC outside your normal course load- which it certainly sounds like if it is not going to be on your HS transcript, then not only are you not obligated legally or morally to report it, but you are really being foolish if you do. You don't get an extragold star for being silly enough to voluntarily put down information that can appear to show you in a bad light. It is naïve in the extreme to believe that a review board will take the time to say" oh he was only a HS junior taking an extra college course so let's take that into consideration". So save the grief and understand- don't volunteer information that isn't required and can't help you. It IS NOT an honor question- it is a common sense issue. If it isn't going on your transcript and it can't help you then leave it that way.
     
  11. Pima

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    I agree in part with Bruno.

    The question is:

    Is it truly dual enrollment? And to me the answer is NO.

    To most posters like me, it means that the HS is aware of the classes...aka Jump Start.

    Now for you, you are taking classes at the local CC, maybe unbeknownst to your HS on your own, well then I see no need to report it. The main reason why is if you elect to use it to jump a class, than it may show up on your transcript somehow. I.E. Jumping from ALG I to Pre-Calc without taking Geometry. If you elect not to jump, than you will pull a higher cgpa by repeating Geo in HS.

    Taking CC classes as a jr. tells me you are academically gifted, as I stated before one C for 1 semester should not kill your cgpa that much. Just prove it was a fluke, one class, one teacher, one semester.

    I would also remind you that in the end of the day it is called the Whole Candidate Score.

    Low SAT/ACT, even high cgpa, you are risking a scholarship.
    Low PFT, you are risking a scholarship.
    No leadership, you are risking a scholarship.
    No ECs, you are risking a scholarship.

    You can be the best academic student ever, but if all you have on your resume is academics you are still in jeopardy compared to the kid that has slightly lower academics, but is on the Wrestling Team, Spring Track, Class President, Habitat for Humanity,NHS, every AP offered in school and works at the local grocery store.

    ROTC scholarships are national. You will be competing against everyone in the nation, including those SA candidates applying for ROTC as their plan B. The rate of awards is @18%.

    Just saying it is important to understand that the majority in ROTC are not on scholarship.
     
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