Early Descion to Civilan School

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  1. Rambot4571

    Rambot4571 New Member

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    Hi! I was wondering if I could apply E.D. to a civilian college and break the contract if I got an appointment to USNA?
     
  2. Padre101

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    You are committed to go to the Early Decision civilian school if accepted. You and your school guidance counsel have to sign a written pledge attesting to your assurance of going to the school if you receive an acceptance when you submit your application.

    The only exception is if you cannot financially afford your Early Decision school. But if you're accepted and your parents' financial forms indicate that you can afford it, you have to go.
     
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    Rambot4571 New Member

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    That makes sense. Thanks for your help.
     
  4. MemberLG

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    It depends on as to what that "pledge" means to you? What legal authority does that pledge have? More than likely that pledge has no legal authority and not likely for a college to come after you for breaking the pledge.

    If a college makes an early admissions offer to you with a condition that you will stop applying to other colleges and attend that college and if you accepted that offer, are you okay with breaking your promise because you might find a better deal?
     
  5. murfthesurf

    murfthesurf DS - USNA 2020

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    Of course! You applied to USNA first.

    I would never worry about the Educational Cartel, they already have the NCAA.

    They are not going after you. EVER.

    Especially, after you tell them you decided to serve at a school that has no snowflake zones, like USNA, USCGA, USMA, USAFA and that other one.

    IMHO, this is still America, last time I check. You are paying them for future "services", remember? If you take no services, you owe them NOTHING. They already got the application fee you paid.
     
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  6. jl123

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    Yes and No. The ED agreement is not legally binding (they can't get a court order making you attend or pay), but is very risky to break without cause.

    From a NY Times article on the subject:
    “If we find that you lied to us and applied to our regular action process holding an admission from an early binding place,” says Marlyn McGrath Lewis, admissions director at Harvard, “we would either not admit you or we would withdraw our offer. We have a couple every year and we withdraw their admission, not because we are enforcing some rule at another college, but because we can’t trust the student.”

    However:
    I know of one instance last year of an applicant who did not apply for or need financial aid and then declined the ED offer from an elite school. To my knowledge no other school withdrew an offer, but the classmates who were denied ED admission at that college were furious. This student was the only one accepted ED and subsequently no other student was accepted RD.
     
  7. Padre101

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    First, isn't there some irony in breaking a pledge and then going to the Naval Academy (if accepted), an institution where Honor is paramount. Your word is your bond all the time, There is no "when it benefits you" exception. Let me repeat that, Your word is your bond PERIOD.

    What if the college, where you break your pledge, contacts the Naval Academy? Haven't you committed a honor code violation? The Naval Academy could rescind its offer of appointment. Are you willing to chance that?

    Second, there instances when a college, where you break your pledge, will ban your high school from applying to that college during the following year. So you basically have stabbed your schoolmates in the back. Yes, you may get away with it, but your actions will have consequences.
     
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  8. NavyNOLA

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    "Serving" at school and "no snowflake" zones.....I'm not quite sure that's how I'd approach this.

    ED is designed for people that have their hearts set on one school and who intend on going there if accepted. If that school isn't truly your first choice, then don't apply ED, just apply EA or regular decision.
     
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  9. ktnatalk

    ktnatalk Sailor. Shipmate. Parent.

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    Amen!
     
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    I agree with NOLA on this. Although it's not legally binding, your word is most important. If being an officer is your goal, then you will need to realize that you are setting the foundation for your future actions. Over night on I Day you won't all of a sudden become honorable and live with character if you haven't lived that way. Habits are habits and take time to develop. Your word as a Mid and officer are everything. As a leader trust is paramount. Develop good habits for character and honor now, not when it's convenient. You aren't a Mid, if you do EA and back out, USNA won't rescind your appointment. But what happens if you get hurt before I Day or leave USNA voluntarily or involuntarily? You will have burned yourself. Are you applying for NROTC? What happens if you get accepted there and no scholarship award at all or to that school? What do you do then?
     
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    ktnatalk Sailor. Shipmate. Parent.

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    I think you meant to say "Early Decision ", the binding one, Hoops!
     
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    I don't get it. It seems like the majority is for not breaking EA commitment. However, a majority opinion on making deposit to plan B school in case something happens summer training is okay?

    Disclaimer, I didn't cross reference with the plan b deposit tread.
     
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    My understanding with the Plan B Deposit issue is that you make your intentions known and give notice to the school that it is Plan B school. That way everyone is on the same sheet of music.
     
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    There is no commitment involved with EA, only ED.
     
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    MemberLG, I actually personally don't agree with that either. When I was a Mid a million years ago none of us had Plan B schools that we held on to. Every classmate I talked to has said they didn't. It's funny because even though none of us had safety schools with deposits in our back pockets our attrition rates were much higher, 25-30% range. The rate is so much lower now, especially Plebe Summer. If we left during the summer it was go to community college while getting our stuff back together again.
     
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    Yes. Thanks for correction.
     
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    EA or ED, whatever commits a student to that college. My point is not using the technicality to justify one's action, rather doing the right thing. I also understand people have difference values. I just want candidates to think what is right and wrong for them, instead of defaulting someone from the SA forum said it's okay.
     
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    If so I am okay with it. My issue is non-disclosure to the plan B school.
     
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    As the father of a DS who applied and was accepted "EA" to U Mich and who read every word of every correspondence pertaining thereto, I can tell you there is nothing binding, in word or intent, about Early Action.

    This isn't directed at you @MemberLG, but issues of honor, morality, honesty simply do not apply to "EA".
     
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    Early decision is binding
    Single choice early action requires that you do not also apply early to another private school. You may apply to a public school or a service academy simultaneously. Unrestricted early action is just that. Unrestricted.
     

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