Enrollment Allocations are out...

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  1. airpower99

    airpower99 New Member

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    How did everyone's detachments do? what was the acceptance rate?
    We're still patiently waiting for ours, at this point I think they will tell us during Leadership Lab. I'll keep you posted on how we do. From what I've heard the cuts were pretty brutal.
     
  2. Pima

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    Good luck.
     
  3. Strike Eagle

    Strike Eagle USAFA Cadet 2015

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    I'm not a 200 but I know the numbers at my Det. were 36 people got EAs:thumb: and 22 got the boot. :frown::frown::frown:

    Also, my Cadre were shocked to see who did and did not get their EA. It seems that GPA and PFA were weighed much much more than Commander's Rating was.
     
  4. Pima

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    That is actually not a shocker, re: commanders LOR. Traditionally it is only about 15% of the score.

    GPA and PFA matters not only for SFT, EA, but also AFSC.
     
  5. patentesq

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    Do I understand this correctly that if the student doesn't receive EA during his or her sophomore year of AFROTC, it's basically over in terms of a career in the Air Force (and resultant loss of AFROTC scholarship for junior and senior years)?
     
  6. grtkidmom

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    good question, I am also curious.
     
  7. Strike Eagle

    Strike Eagle USAFA Cadet 2015

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    If the student is on a 5 year approved major and scholarship they can try again next year
     
  8. Pima

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    Actually as I know it EA is different than SFT.

    EA is for 250. Some 250's are cadets that did not get selected as a 200 for SFT. Some are the 5 yr program.

    If you enter as a 4 yr scholarship cadet. As a C200 you will meet the SFT board. Upon completion you are now a POC, C300. That is when you go up for your AFSC board.

    AFROTC gives out career (AFSC) assignments in the spring of the cadets jr yr (or if they are 5 yr, the yr prior to graduation).

    Now if you did not go to SFT as a 200, you will not meet that AFSC board. Instead, you are meeting the EA as a 250. (collegiate wise you are a jr)

    If you do not get selected, in essence it is now over. Basically, they are going to let you walk away, but your last yr of school will not be ROTC scholarship.

    This is why so many cadets are panicking. They may now be stuck between a rock and a hard place if they don't get it. They will have only 1 yr of college left, and if they bank on the scholarship to attend, a loss of an 18K scholarship can leave them scrambling. The loss of the scholarship would be last yr of college.

    Honestly, if you are a 200 that didn't get selected ly for SFT, it would have behooved you to realize that career options were going to be narrowed. You probably won't get a rated spot.

    Our DS was home for spring break last week and he stated that they expected the 250 acceptance rate to hover around 40%, and actually closer to the 35%.

    People believe once they have scholarship in hand it is clear sailing until graduation. This may be true for other branches, but for the AF that is a fallacy.

    2 yrs in and you live this ride all over again. They know come the fall that they will be meeting a board in Feb. It is a one shot deal, unlike scholarships.

    Either way regarding the results you will live to meet at least another board. Both of those boards are life changing regarding your military opportunities.

    Strike, 4 or 5 yr can apply, but either way they took a ding. Think of it from a board perspective. They didn't make the cut last yr., so why should they take them over someone else who are just coming up? They really need to show improvement to get it. Honestly anyone who meets the SFT for the 2nd time and gets it, needs to:
    A. JUMP FOR JOY...esp. in the face of force shape re-structuring
    B. Be proud of how hard they worked for it to get it.
     
  9. BrianReed

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    What exactly are 'Enrollment Allocations'? Do they concern students entering into the AFROTC program this fall?
     
  10. Strike Eagle

    Strike Eagle USAFA Cadet 2015

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    Pima, you need to remember that you have to do 2 years in the Professional Officer's Course. A sophomore in college that didn't get picked would need to do an extra year in college to fulfill that 2 year requirement.
     
  11. Pima

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    Enrollment Allocation refers to Summer Field Training (SFT) held at Maxwell AFB.

    It is the ROTC equivalent to BCT, @ 4-5 weeks.

    As a cadet you traditionally apply for the opportunity as a C200 (soph). The board is like scholarships, where it is determined from a national perspective, and your GPA, PFA, recs all go into the equation. Highest scores are selected.

    To the best of my knowledge there is no wait list. You are either going or you aren't,

    Now the way the AFROTC system works is to become a C300, you must have that in your file. Just because you are a jr in college will not mean you are a C300. It is not like the academy where your C digit represents your collegiate yr.

    Here is where the waters get muddy. Some cadets will not have done C100, but be a sophomore, some will have done ROTC and not get SFT. Both are going to go up for SFT against each other.

    HOWEVER, neither will go up against the traditional ROTC cadet that is a sophomore and a C200.

    There are two different boards. The traditional cadet will be going up against traditional.

    The others are the exceptions and will be reviewed against the non-traditional.

    The cadet who does not join ROTC until their soph yr, will have weaknesses in their profile because they will have a thin ROTC record. Lack of jobs.

    The cadet who did not get selected as a C200, and is up for it again will have issues, because they didn't get selected with their peers.

    For this yr the reason this is a big deal is because the AF is going through force shape re-structuring. The fact that the AFA reduced their class size for 15 by @20%, and OCS was canceled should tell you why these kids are stressed over this beyond any belief.

    For many, this is not only about a career, but trying to figure out what to do if they lose that scholarship. Today can truly be the worst day of their lives. Imagine being 30 credits short of graduating, attending a school that you have ROTC scholarship, merit and FAFSA to pay for, only to know come next fall you are short 18K.

    No offense as people go through the TWEs for ROTC or SAs, my heart breaks for them. They are 21 now. Not only are their career dreams gone, but now they may be financially boffed.

    In case you don't know, most colleges require the last 60 credits to come from their college. That means, is that 18 K was the only way they could attend, they are in trouble.

    Like I keep saying, don't rest on your laurels just because you get that scholarship. As quick as it comes, it can go.
     
  12. airpower99

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    Just found out now.
    9/19. Brutal!! I can tell that GPA and PFA was weighed very heavily, people either had a very high PFA or a very high GPA.

    Whether you got it or not much respect for getting this far. This will help you in your life no matter what you end up doing. Keep your head held high and be proud of what you've accomplished.

    For those who made it, see y'all in Alabama!
     
  13. Kado

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    Hey Pima i think you may have some confusion on the EA process. It is hard to explain for those that haven't gone through it.

    I'm currently a 200 going through the EA process. This is what happens.
    ALL, contracted or not, 200, 250, and 500 cadets send there "packages" of gpa, pfa, and OM scores to the PSP (POC Selection Process board).

    Those with scholarships and contracted have no guarantee of getting an EA, their chances are the same as everyone else.

    If you are selected for an EA, great, you are allowed to go to Summer Field Training, but if you screw up the next month of two before you go they will revoke it, nothing is guaranteed.

    If you do not get an EA and you are NOT on contract you may have the opportunity from the Det commander to let you recycle and try again next year for an EA as a 500.

    But if you are on scholarship/contract and you do NOT receive an EA you will lose your scholarship and be washed out of the afrotc program. You may have to pay it back, im not completely sure this may depend on your situation.
     
  14. Pima

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    Okay the waters are getting very muddy now.

    First off.

    Regarding the POC. Believe it or not some will slow down their academic process, since you only need 12 credits per semester.

    Yep, I know some that have taken this route. Heck, our DS is one of them. He is scholarship, got SFT, and in the scholars program, interned on the Hill for a Sen at his college, but because he loaded up on classes too early due to scholars, he now is in the slow down. He could have graduated this spring, had he not slowed down. 3yrs. We even looked into him starting his masters, but the school will not allow it with the combo of AFROTC scholarship.

    You are correct it is 2 yrs., but incorrect in the premise of why some stick around.

    That is why I said what I did re: POC.

    Kado,

    I never stated that scholarship cadets have a leg up. Actually, I agree with you and that's why I have stated it doesn't end once you get the scholarship. The ante/stakes to play in the game goes up each yr.

    ANYONE and EVERYONE who believes that the scholarship is a safety net is a fool. Scholarship does not = raising your right hand and saying "I, (state name), having been appointed a second lieutenant in the United States Air Force, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter, so help me God." in 2015.

    I part ways with you about the scholarship cadet that doesn't get SFT. Our DS's house mate is AFROTC scholarship and did not get it last yr., but still on scholarship. I asked point blank to DS what if they don't get it? Reply: They are screwed. Scholarship is gone.
     
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  15. Redpin320

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    ERAU had 36/57 go, roughly 63%.

    The O-4 told us 1812/3200ish got selected nationwide.

    I was lucky enough to get one.......with a 2.95 gpa tech. I'm guessing my PFA and AFOQT scores nudged me through. My roommate has a 2.75 gpa tech and he got one as well. But I know some 3.0-3.3 non-techs didn't get one, we just lucked out that we happened to have the degree the AF needed.

    Congratulations to everyone that got one. For those that didn't remember there's the 500 option and OTS.

    We had a lot of outstanding cadets not get EAs. Don't think of yourself any less if you didn't get one, I surely won't. The biggest factor for this round was timing, and has nothing to do with your quality as a cadet. Good luck to everyone.
     
  16. afrotc

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    3.3 gpa non-tech
    95 pfa

    I didn't get one
     
  17. Kado

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    Congrats to everyone who got an EA! I unfortunately did not receive one, only 50% at my det got one.
    I'm a non tech with a 3.0 gpa, 98 pfa, high afoqt/act, my gpa didn't quite meet the cut off.

    Good luck at Field Training! know your FTMs!!!
     
  18. zeus2011

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    Det 290 was 15/31, a little less than half. Good luck to everyone.
     
  19. Jcleppe

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    Are you a contracted scholarship cadet.

    What does this mean for you, will you be able to try again or is this the end of the road.

    I am not very familiar with AFROTC, my nephew is considering the program, just trying to gather some information for him.

    Thanks
     
  20. luckymacy

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    Did they take into accout at all if you were on scholarship or not and if you were in a engineering, nursing or some other more difficult major? Sounds crazy to award a 4 year engineering scholarship and then cut you off after your first two years if you had a good gpa and good LOR from your Det commander.
     

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