Enrollment Allocations are out...

grantsdaman01 said:
9 of 26 got EA's at my detachment. I had a scholarship with a 3.9 GPA and a 96.6 PFA and I did not get one. Everyone was shocked with the results

WOW and frightening is all I can say.

Any idea why? Are you non-tech? 26 would say to me a small det. What was the history % regarding SFT? Were the results in historical parameters, or did the det get hit this yr?

What were the gpas for those that got it?
 
9 of 26 got EA's at my detachment. I had a scholarship with a 3.9 GPA and a 96.6 PFA and I did not get one. Everyone was shocked with the results.

Im shocked as well. One of our cadets in a non tech major had 2.9 GPA and 98.6 PFA and made it, dont see why you wouldnt
 
Commander's ranking is a small part of the equation, compared to a 3.9 gpa, plus a 97 PFA.

My guesstimate would be non-tech in a college that is not seen competitive from a nationalistic perspective.
 
These are the stats that my DS heard.

There were 1800 slots for field training this year. Of those, 78% (1404) were given to tech majors. The remainder was split between non-tech, foreign language majors & nursing. The numbers are 186 non-tech; 33 foreign language majors; 177 nursing.

Averages:
Tech GPA – 3.22
Tech PFA – 95
Non-tech GPA – 3.31
Non-tech PFA - 96
 
Pima, sorry to correct you but I think GPA is not 50% of your score. According to AFROTC INSTRUCTION 36-2011 the breakdown is like this.

Commander's Ranking: 50%
GPA: 20%
PFA: 15%
Afoqt/ACT/SAT: 15%
 
Okay, I'm not trying to totally derail this thread and if you think I should start a new one, I'll be glad to but it seems like a lot of knowledgeable people here. I knew nothing about EA or the requirement for any of this before reading this thread. I assumed (yeah, I know, big mistake) that once you got AFROTC that you just automatically did everything like you would if you were at an academy - in terms of summer training at least. So... my question is whether this is true for all branches? My son is very strongly leaning towards NROTC but now I'm wondering if it's similar to this and he'd have at least a good chance (looking at these numbers) of not even getting the scholarship after some point if he didn't get into the summer trainings. Or is Navy different? I'd appreciate any insight!
 
Pima, sorry to correct you but I think GPA is not 50% of your score. According to AFROTC INSTRUCTION 36-2011 the breakdown is like this.

Commander's Ranking: 50%
GPA: 20%
PFA: 15%
Afoqt/ACT/SAT: 15%

+1

That is why they stress so much that you have to be involved in the det.
 
I am a 200 cadet with a:
3.85 gpa
97 PFA score
top of middle third Commanders Ranking
31 ACT

and I got the boot. It was tough this year...
 
Sorry to hear that pilot, you had solid scores. That's really surprising.

For others, here are some of the stats I received to get a better understanding.

858 of 1,089 tech majors received EAs. 78.8%

33 of 41 foreign language majors received EAs. 80.5%

1,026 of 2,127 non-tech majors received EAs. 47.3%

77 of 81 nursing majors received EAs. 95.1%

Overall 1,994 cadets were selected out of 3,338. 59.7% selection rate

Tough year for non-tech but that's how it is for Air Force.
 
My sincere condolences to those who did not get an EA slot with such solid scores! We find out next week since our commander decided to take a vacation the week of EA's! The thing I don't get about the Air Force is sometimes they accept that one person with a mediocre degree and GPA while they throw out one with a strong GPA, PFA, and AFOQT. I know its all about timing now. We had one cadet get an EA last year with a 2.2 GPA in Criminal Justice and he lost his scholarship and everything, but yet he got the FTP Cadet of the Semester. I guess he had a killer commander's ranking to help him out. Good luck to you who are going to Maxwell AFB and please pray for me as well since my stats are similar to those who did not get one, but I am a non-tech major. :frown:
 
Hey RedPin320, what were you and your roommates stats. I got denied and my stats are

Electrical Engineering Major

2.65 GPA
95 PFA
70 AFOQT AA
CC Ranking ?
I was told I competed EXTREMELY WELL
 
PPT and zeus, if you notice I said


I would assume AFSC and SFT probably have the same % re: scoring.

GPA = 50%
PFA = 15%
AFOQT = 10 or 15%
ECs and rank in he det, make up the remaining %.

For rated AFSC, it changes up a little.
AFOQT and TBAS = 10 or 15% can't recall
Than they change the remaining to include:

SFT rank...Top 10%, top 30%, top 50%, below 50%
LOR, CC review

Our DS went through it last yr, all I can remember was I knew that he said anyone under a certain gpa did not get it.

Also, remember that depending on your det., some commanders will take different approaches regarding how they rack and stack.

That gpa may be in their mind when they rank you. They may look at it and say, this cadet can't handle both in a competitive manner. They may be great in the det., but their grades are suffering. Come next yr for AFSC that GPA is going to matter, and I am not about to sacrifice another cadet with a higher gpa for them, thus, I will rank that higher gpa cadet higher on my list.

In essence, it does come back to the gpa, but also the philosophy of the commander.

For some dets., because they are so large, you may be required to hold a certain gpa to get that job. No job, and your ranking in the det will decrease. As you can see that gpa can play into the equation indirectly too.

The AF is a stats oriented organization.

Like I said maybe it is Commanders 50%, but trust me for cadets going up for AFSC next yr, at least rated. Commanders is the small %. They are going to be the ones to get you over the hump if you are on the line.

I am still not sure I bite off on 50%, because it would not explain those who score low gpa not getting in if they score high on commanders. It would be a wash.

What appears to be the real factor weighted is MAJOR (tech vs non-tech). Which again brings us back to what I stated earlier. Eventually there is a tipping point. The 40% that were non-tech probably had a much higher gpa.
Otherwise the breakdown would have never been tech v non-tech...it wouldn't have ever placed that into the equation.

I am sorry for all that did not get SFT. There is next yr. Ask for an exit interview with the commander. An exit is different than your semester review. You actually look at where you were deficient when it came to the packet.

For those who did get it, this is not the time to sit on your laurels, and just make it through SFT. Your ranking at SFT will go into the equation next yr when you go up for AFSC. They will place into the equation where you ranked out for your class at Maxwell.

Maxwell is not like ROTC. It is BCT for the AFA. You will live in the field under extreme heat/humidity...July 31st in Alabama is not pretty, even at 5:30 am. You will take academics and receive grades. You will live, eat and sleep with people who grade you, they watch your every move. Learn to sleep on top of your covers.:shake: You can't call your folks and vent. You can't call anyone...they take your phone away minute one. All you get re: outside world is daily mail call.

How you rack out of there will impact you for your AFSC. We are no longer talking about finding money for the next 2 yrs to pay for a scholarship you lost. You are talking about your career for at least 4 yrs after graduation. Rated and you are looking at a decade.

Always remember in ROTC it is always what you do today will impact your chances for tomorrow.


Good luck
 
The commanders ranking DOES count for 50% in both the Enrollment Allocations and for AFSC - rated positions. You can read AFROTCI 36-2011 Cadet Operation Manual to check for all the information.

Each commander comes up with their own ranking system. At our DS detachment, he chose to rank tech majors over non-tech. He also said that the board WOULD NOT take major into consideration. However, it looks like that is what happened.
 
I googled the AFROTCI 36-2011.

For those interested here is the link
http://www.uc.edu/afrotc/media/_jcr_content/MainContent/download_9/file.res/AFROTCI36-2011.pdf

It is 402 pages.

Please give me the page.

He also said that the board WOULD NOT take major into consideration. However, it looks like that is what happened.

To me that would have been:bsflagsmileyface: as a parent.

Our DS's commander stated before he entered engineering/tech majors ALWAYS get an edge. Honestly, if you look at scholarships you can see that they do. Tech get 95% of Type 1 scholarship.

I have no bone in this fight. Our DS did SFT as a non-tech last summer, and he got UPT in March as a current C300. We are not here is a competitor to our child.

I am just trying to say, through experience, how the system works.

You stated the commander
At our DS detachment, he chose to rank tech majors over non-tech. He also said that the board WOULD NOT take major into consideration.

An AFROTC Commander said to you he boffed the non-techs because of their major? That is what I am reading.

Please tell me I am wrong!

OBTW our DS has been fortunate not to go to be in your child's college. He is a non-tech. got SFT and UPT. As a parent your commander's POV scares me. I say that as a non-tech parent.
 
Sorry to hear that pilot, you had solid scores. That's really surprising.

For others, here are some of the stats I received to get a better understanding.

858 of 1,089 tech majors received EAs. 78.8%

33 of 41 foreign language majors received EAs. 80.5%

1,026 of 2,127 non-tech majors received EAs. 47.3%

77 of 81 nursing majors received EAs. 95.1%

Overall 1,994 cadets were selected out of 3,338. 59.7% selection rate

Tough year for non-tech but that's how it is for Air Force.

This info is what all the 200s at my det are saying as well. There is some rumor that 70% of the slots given out went to tech major and it is completely false. Yes Techs did have about a 70% acceptance rate but they did not get 70% of the slots.

I will add that we have been told that the avg GPA for non tech was a 3.35 and avg GPA for tech was a 3.2 (nationwide).

Additionally here are the stats for UMDCP

21/46 (45%) got selected.
We had a few people (non-techs and techs) with 3.3-3.5 ....solid PFA get passed over for EAs as well.

Lots of kids here are very disappointed. I'm pretty nervous myself even as a 100. I thought going into ROTC as long as my GPA was a 3.5+ and had PFA over 95 I would be fine. However, it seems like that might not be the case anymore. :eek: I'm meeting with the CoC soon and will try and get more info on the situation. I certainly hope that next year the #'s will be higher.....:confused:
 
marciemi: I have never heard of this EA thing in NROTC. As far as I know, the kids in NROTC do summer training each summer in college. I don't know that kids get dropped from the program at any set time, unless their GPAs dip below 2.5 or they get medically disqualified or they get in some other trouble (drugs, arrest).
 
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