Experimented with Marijuana after Appointment (What Will Happen?)

aglages said:
That was about 3 years after your last drug use?
That was about 4 years after your last drug use?

Did you admit to any drug use after the Summer of 2009?

Just trying to get an idea of whether how much time you were "drug free" may have had an influence on the AF and USAFA's decision making process or whether it's all about the timing (luck) of when you apply.
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There was no drug use after the Summer of 2009.
 
I think for you AFrpaso you fall into a different pile than the avg HS kid from a MJ use perspective. The reason why is you came in through the enlisted side and in essence the AF waived your usage years earlier. You have been in ADAF before entering the AFA, you already have a TS clearance. You proved as an ADAF member that you no longer use MJ.

The 18 year old is still an unproven chance in every way. They are a higher risk than you.

Future,

the number that is deemed non-waiverable as far as I know is a highly held secret and not published. I have seen AFROTC scholarship cadets booted for admitting 3 times. I have seen cadets booted because they said 1x, and later had a moral ephiphany and said they did it three times. That boot could be debated whether it was 3 x or they lied originally and later came clean.

You also will have to remember that number of times for your TS clearance. TS clearances are valid for only 5 years, thus you will go through a TS at least 2x before you can do the five and dive. A TS clearance is 60+ pages if I recall correctly. The question will be phrased and rephrased in different ways multiple times to make sure the answers all line up. They will also interview at least three people that personally know you. The interview lasts about 30-45 minutes....iows they dig deep and it will come out eventually. Nothing will hurt more than getting a TS clearance put into question when you are so close to the finish line.
~~~ See above of the cadet coming clean and being booted.


For the OP,

I don't think it is over. I agree you might want to rethink your academic plans for the fall due to the fact that those credits will not be accepted by a traditional college if you are not appointed next year.

I would look into a nearby state university that has AFROTC, or even a CC. I know the CC in our area is attached to the state university and students are allowed to join AFROTC while attending CC. It would be much cheaper, and come Spring semester you can jump over to the state university. Additionally you will be eligible for one more nom. ROTC.
~ You also would be in front of the AFROTC game because if not appointed next year, than you will not be behind the power curve for:
~~~~ SFT selection as a 200. You must be selected to become a POC and commission.
~~~~ You can apply for an ICSP (scholarship) as a freshmen.

Good luck.
 
Pima said:
They will also interview at least three people that personally know you. The interview lasts about 30-45 minutes....iows they dig deep and it will come out eventually. Nothing will hurt more than getting a TS clearance put into question when you are so close to the finish line.
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Pima, if you don't mind me asking, how are the three people chosen? How can the iows dig that deep into your past? I'm sorry if this comes off as too meddlesome. I do plan on, however, coming entirely clean on my DoDMERB.

To ultimately summarize, there is no official dictation (that any of us know of) whether or not three uses would automatically disqualify me?
 
You submit the three names, but there are nuances on the people that are eligible for you to submit.
 
It’s been a long time since I had to update a TS/BI. In my day you listed your references, they were interviewed in person and that was it. My Virginia Tech daughter needed a background check for an internship this summer at a nuclear power plant. She listed 3 references as required and as the investigators made contact with them, the references were asked to provide 3 additional references. The reference pool grew exponentially. If DOD is using this same process for security clearance investigations, it would seem that it’s only a matter of time before any questionable behavior comes to light.
 
Guess what else they can creep into? Your social media accounts.

Our DD interned with Make A Wish national HQ, they investigated her for the job. While interning they said give it to Pimas DD she has a twitter account. DD was ???? how did you know? We knew because that was our background check.

You may have set your FB page to private, BUT how about those other 592 friends you have, or the groups you belong to? Are they all private?

Even this site is not as private as you may think. Spend 15 minutes skimming all of my posts and you will probably be able to find me on FB from my posts.
~ VA resident
~ Bullet is my DH....works at the Pentagon on the 35
~ Bullet was an F15E WSO, our last assignment was NC.
~ Bullet flew 111s, jumped with the 82nd and went to CGSC at Leavenworth in 01
~ I was a Realtor in VA
~ I am originally from NJ
~ DS is an AFROTC det 330 grad of 12
~ DS is a C130 pilot
~ DS got married in May
~ I have a DD at VT
~ DD interned with Make a wish
~ I have DS2 at GMU
~ Hornet attended Bullets retirement and DS's commissioning party
~ Fencer and I are good friends (At one time we had avatars of us together)

Seriously, if you think I am wrong ask fencer how her and I became friends off line. It was that easy to put pieces together without ever going on FB.

OBTW this is why most posters will tell people that use their name as a moniker to change it asap.
 
Yep, internet security is a fuzzy thing. Attach enough pieces of the puzzle together, and it's pretty easy to see the picture.

The big rule that a lot of people break is NEVER PUBLISH YOUR OWN STUPIDITY.
"Cadet X says they never drank underage, but they posted pictures of themselves acting dumb and holding a half empty bottle of Jack when they were 19." :rolleyes:
 
As Pima pointed out, its not just the DOD that investigates your social media accounts. Many colleges now perform a social media check for a number of its applicants.

About 6 years ago, I had a conversation with a college admissions officer. She told me that it is not unusual for colleges to perform a social media check. That it had been going on for years. Her college didn't do it for every one of the thousands of applicants. However, they performed it consistently for those up for serious scholarship consideration and for those with "too good of a or unusual application" (not sure how they delineated that). She said each college was different, but the more competitive the college, the more likely they would check out social media when considering final acceptance/offers.

Many high schools now give lectures on managing social media and the effects of social media on college applications. The high school advisers have come out and said the best social media is no social media as there is so much out of your control (that one "Friend" who posts something inappropriate on your wall etc.).

And as technology improves, the "social media investigative" algorithms utilized and developed by various institutions will become more sophisticated. Thus, it is much simpler for anyone to be "checked out."

I love the saying that goes "thank goodness I was a teenager before the internet." Unfortunately, in this day and age, any and all stupidity can follow someone around forever.
 
They can give all the lectures they want, just like telling kids not to text and drive, but unfortunately most kids do not take it to heart until it impacts them personally.

I know our kids didn't take it to heart until.....
~~~~ I called DS and told him to pull that pic off his FB!
~ Him: Huh? How did you see that, we are not friends!
~ Me: I am not as illiterate as you might think....I am friends with my sister, your Aunt and she is friends with you She commented on the pic so I got to see it on her page! That is why I never asked to be your friend, I have been watching you via everyone of your friends that are my friends.
~ Him: Silence....wheels spinning in his brain, with I am sure and Oh SHEEAATTT who else is seeing my stuff? The AFROTC det maybe?

It was gone within seconds and from that point out he made sure he was not tagged in any pic, nor posted anything that might get a call from Mom. He also stopped collecting friends like it was a game of winning a prize for the most.

Our DD found out as I said earlier from Make A Wish.

Both were 20, way past HS. It was a wake up call to them because as tight as their security settings were for them, people that want to see your page can via 1 or 2 clicks.

I am not shocked about college admissions, especially because of how many kids resumes today look way too good to be true.

For AFA candidates, think about it....if colleges are doing this, I would bet MOC nomination staff is probably doing it too. They have IT staff in their offices that can easily check.

I know a few years back I was told by an admissions person that they lurk on this site, not an AFA member, but a Public Ivy admissions officer, and also a ROTC PMS. As I illustrated it wouldn't be hard to match up your name to your moniker.

I.E. How many candidates do you think there are from VA District 11, with a 33 ACT, 4.07 cgpa and played FB for four years, NHS student, and works PT at Target?

Your moniker might be shootforthestars, but they can easily find your name just from your chance me thread or in this case marijuana thread.

That is the point, you can lie, but the chances are in todays technology filled world of FB, Instagram and twitter you are leaving not a trail of breadcrumbs, but loaves of bread. It will come out eventually, so just bite the bullet as soon as possible and be honest.

OBTW, remember just on this site you have Insider, CC and flieger. I am not saying they do that, but if they wanted to, I doubt they would get in trouble for putting two and two together and asking you specific questions. I believe Flieger at one of the nom interviews was approached by a candidate and asked point blank are you Flieger?
 
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+1 Jcleppe.

I know on the AFROTC side they can kick you out and demand repayment of the scholarship. There is a thread in the bowels of the ROTC side discussing how a cadet was honest and said they had experimented with marijuana. They stated 2x, but always knew it was 3x. When going up for their TS clearance they came clean and was immediately dis-enrolled. The CoC asked for a waiver for the cadet and HQ denied it.

I would assume the AFA is giving to be the same in this current environment of reducing personnel numbers.
 
Excellent advice and wisdom abounds in this thread. Will need to flag for son to read ...so he can hear it from others and not just his parents.
 
I understand that pot at parties is very tempting. But at the same time it is hard to muster sympathy. The armed forces are downsizing. They are turning away recruits at MEPS for even one-time marijuana usage, so I imagine they would do the same with an Academy admit.
Yes, it was a mistake. But, you signed a commitment to not take it, then failed under the temptation of a party. Think about that! How are you going to lead under combat if you can fall that easily?
I hope you made good on the other part of your commitment regarding morals, and informed your liaison officer.
 
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