Fall Semester 2012 xROTC updates

That is totally different, than AFROTC HQ. Apples with apples and oranges with oranges.

You can't compare a campus based AFROTC scholarship with an AFROTC HQ scholarship.

The det made the decision, AFROTC at Maxwell did not award them a scholarship. AFROTC allows scholarship recipients to take that scholarship to any school that accepts AFROTC scholarships. In this case the scholarship was good for only that school, and that school alone.

To place that story into this debate muddies the waters. We were discussing only scholarships that came out of Maxwell regarding this issue of PFT.
 
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I think we are talking about two different things.

I understand that a cadet can complete their first year, have the scholarship pay tuition, receive both book money and the stipend and then walk away after the first year with no obligation. The same goes for both the Navy and the Army, heck West Point gives them 2 years and they can walk with no obligation.

My only question was regarding whether the AF Scholarship cadet received any money at all before they pass their PFT.

My son passed his APFT the first day, received his full stipend for the year, all his tuition and book money and traveled to Bosnia on the Army's dime. Had my son decided not to return this year he would have had no obligation to the Army for enlistment or payback. Once he started his sophomore year he is on the hook for the whole ball of wax.

Again, my only question was whether they are required to pass their PFT before they start receiving the scholarship money. I understand the cadet can stay in the program if they don't pass the first semester/year but it was my understanding that they receive no money until they meet all the requirements of the contract, which includes passing the PFT.

As far as passing information back and forth and taking it as the truth, thats why some of us were questioning this whole subject. I would hate to see some poor scholarship AF cadet show up the first week, not pass their PFT and be shocked when they did not receive any of the scholarship funds due to something they read here. Seems to be a lot of conflicting information.

If in fact AF cadets can receive a full years worth of scholarship money and stipend without meeting the contract requirements, I'll be the next one on the phone.
 
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I think we are talking two different scholarships, at least that is my assumption currently because of their last post. I will wait to see if I misinterpreted their post.

becksgirl,

I am sure you didn't intend to create the firestorm, but posters/lurkers are now waiting for your response. I.E.
Jcleppe said:
If in fact AF cadets can receive a full years worth of scholarship money and stipend without meeting the contract requirements, I'll be the next one on the phone.
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This is a site where posters come for guidance, we are willing to accept that you are 1000% correct, but remember before we burn the phone lines tomorrow be 1000% correct. I am not trying to infer or rile. I am just saying your next post will be the make or break for the MOCs.

You say they get stipend, book allowance and tuition, phone lines are burning.


Jcleppe...I wish I was a newbie! That means our DS will be an incoming freshman again and will be home for Thanksgiving and Xmas. It won't mean that I won't see him until I don't when!

Honestly to posters and lurkers this is all BS! Trust those posters that pinned on butter bars, you will miss these days of fear. It goes by like a blink of an eye. You can't those moments back.

PFT scholarship issue is just fodder. It will sort itself out soon enough.

God speed and God bless the candidates and their families. Thank you for wanting to defend this great nation. That includes the parents, because let's be real watching them drive out of your driveway one last time is emotional. They are no longer your child, they are an Officer in the United States military willing to give their life for you, me and the man behind the tree.

I wish everyone the best for this yr. Don't stress over this debate. Don't let it psych you out. You will do fine. I apologize if I created any stress. We all believe in the class of 2016!
 
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Wow. I apologize for opening up this can of worms.

Ok so some things were clarified in Lead Lab today as far as PT and the PFA goes. There is 1 practice PFA and 4 recorded PFA's for the semester. 1. PFA for GMC (in October), 2. PFA for POC, 3. Make up PFA, 4. Commissioning PFA.

With what my det has it set up, there is no way that a scholarship cadet, or a non scholarship one for that matter, could continue on with the program if they failed to pass the PFA during the semester. They would have had to have 1. Failed the practice PFA, 2. Failed the recorded PFA thus having to fill out a bunch of paperwork that sounds like a headache, and 3. Failed the make up PFA. That is THREE tests they would have to fail, not to mention that it was stated that there any cadet that failed the practice AND the real one would face possible/probable dismissal depending on the status of the cadet. I doubt anyone who has managed to stay on would have a remote possibility of staying after failing the re-take also.

As for receiving scholarship money, I am unsure, I will just have to find out whenever they have us fill out the deposit form and get around to sending it to us. All I heard was that it takes for ever to get in, but I do know that we don't have to worry about the tuition and fee payments to the university because the person who handles ROTC scholarships at our Bursars office is really on top of things and has already put in the "ghost money". The cadre I talked to new little about it and the NCO who would know was backlogged.

I doubt many Det work this way so the taking of the PFA during the first week of school in order to contract is most likely the norm for AFROTC
 
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Non Ducor Duco said:
Wow. I apologize for opening up this can of worms.

Ok so some things were clarified in Lead Lab today as far as PT and the PFA goes. There is 1 practice PFA and 4 recorded PFA's for the semester. 1. PFA for GMC (in October), 2. PFA for POC, 3. Make up PFA, 4. Commissioning PFA.

With what my det has it set up, there is no way that a scholarship cadet, or a non scholarship one for that matter, could continue on with the program if they failed to pass the PFA during the semester. They would have had to have 1. Failed the practice PFA, 2. Failed the recorded PFA thus having to fill out a bunch of paperwork that sounds like a headache, and 3. Failed the make up PFA. That is THREE tests they would have to fail, not to mention that it was stated that there any cadet that failed the practice AND the real one would face possible/probable dismissal depending on the status of the cadet. I doubt anyone who has managed to stay on would have a remote possibility of staying after failing the re-take also.

As for receiving scholarship money, I am unsure, I will just have to find out whenever they have us fill out the deposit form and get around to sending it to us. All I heard was that it takes for ever to get in, but I do know that we don't have to worry about the tuition and fee payments to the university because the person who handles ROTC scholarships at our Bursars office is really on top of things and has already put in the "ghost money". The cadre I talked to new little about it and the NCO who would know was backlogged.

I doubt many Det work this way so the taking of the PFA during the first week of school in order to contract is most likely the norm for AFROTC
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Thanks for your update, and don't apologize, this is all great information for new cadets.

Interesting to hear how different services and even different battalions handle their paperwork.

Son filled out all his paperwork over the summer including direct deposit and tax forms. Once the APFT was completed the contract was signed and the money was released and the stipend was paid on the next pay date.

AROTC is also a lot more straight forward regarding the contract requirements.

Dodmerb Qualified
All Paperwork turned in
Pass the APFT

Do all of these and you contract and start getting the scholarship funds. Do not complete even one of these, no contract, and no scholarship funds until you have fully complied with all the requirements. It's just that simple.

Let us know how the stipend payments work out for you. Thanks again for the information.
 
Jcleppe said:
Thanks for your update, and don't apologize, this is all great information for new cadets.

Interesting to hear how different services and even different battalions handle their paperwork.

Son filled out all his paperwork over the summer including direct deposit and tax forms. Once the APFT was completed the contract was signed and the money was released and the stipend was paid on the next pay date.

AROTC is also a lot more straight forward regarding the contract requirements.

Dodmerb Qualified
All Paperwork turned in
Pass the APFT

Do all of these and you contract and start getting the scholarship funds. Do not complete even one of these, no contract, and no scholarship funds until you have fully complied with all the requirements. It's just that simple.

Let us know how the stipend payments work out for you. Thanks again for the information.
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Sure thing, will do. I agree that the AFROTC process seems to be alot more complicated. They let us know that they will be very displeased with new cadets, and especially those on scholarship, who fail the 1st PFA and thereby force them to go through a ton of paperwork. For what exactly, I'm unsure. The senior cadet speaking started trying to explain but stopped and just shook his head as if, trying to shake of a bad memory, and told us to just pass it for everyone's sake. It seems like with AROTC, cadets(and their families) who fail the fitness test are the only ones that suffer and with AFROTC the failed cadets AND the cadre suffer. That can't endear them very much to the cadre.
 
My wife talked to our DS this morning, and like Non Ducor Duco stated in his earlier post, the first recorded PFT does not occur until October. The meeting set for Thursday morning for the HSSP cadets is a preenlistment meeting that envolves taking a height and weight check and reviewing and signing contract papers. He is also suppose to bring a blank check with him. Not sure about when the stipends will start.
 
Flying make sure he writes VOID across that blank check. I am sure they will tell him the same, but G forbid he loses it before submitting it to the det he can be up the creek financially.

18 yo kids rarely understand the intricacies regarding blank checks.

Bullet and I discussed this last night after I posted, and he stated back in the late 80's this was still the system for AFROTC. October was the cut off date, but as Non Ducor Duco stated you just never wanted to go there.

It is important for cadets on scholarship to understand that until they are contracted they may not see a stipend at all. If they are entering this month with the belief come 9/1 that there will be a deposit, than they may be sorely mistaken.

Talk to your unit, do not rely on this site for a hard and fast answer.
 
I talked to DS tonight, he was getting ready to go to bed early due to his first PT session in the morning. He said that tomorrow morning's PT will include a practice PFT to see where all the cadets stand. Hopefully he will make a good impression on the cadre!
 
I am sure he will. He understands the importance and the weight of this first PFT.
 
Non Ducor Duco said:
For what exactly, I'm unsure. The senior cadet speaking started trying to explain but stopped and just shook his head as if, trying to shake of a bad memory, and told us to just pass it for everyone's sake.
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He shook his head probably because in his mind he realized the size of a small tree will be sacrificed to make the amount of paper for the reports that will go up the chain. If not a tree the amount of hours at the computer writing instead of studying for his classes. The flight PT instructor will submit their report to the FCC. The FCC will submit that and their report to the CWC and CVWC. They in turn will report it to the DO who will report it to CC.

C100's do not realize that Cadets in leadership positions report about an hr earlier than the others do because they have meetings to discuss things, such as this. They write reviews for each and every cadet, every semester. They just aren't the 1st people there as a motivation factor, they are there because their show time was not 6:30, but 5:30 and the meeting ended early.

He shook his head because he was thinking OMG please don't fail, I don't need the CC or the DO rip me a new one because 25% failed the PT! I don't need to sit in a meeting/briefing discussing why each of them failed and how to rectify the situation.

Sometimes the reason/motivation they are yelling at you is because they will be darned if they have to write a report regarding you because you missed it by 1 sit up.

Trust me, I never called DS on Wed. night, because if I did I got a cranky kid telling me he had an essay to write or a test to study for, plus finishing up his 15 cadet reports for AFROTC due the next morning meeting prior to PT, and that meant he would be up at 4:45 a.m., realizing it would be midnight before he would be done. No down time, just pure nose to the grindstone for the next X amt of hrs.

He would have done the same thing...don't bust it because now you are messing with my life, including academics, which I need for my OML and AFSC.


Flying how did it go?
 
3AD Validated!

DS and the other 3AD's from last year were called into new PMS's office today, the first day of class. They were informed that he was validating their scholarships and they all contracted this afternoon! It's been a long road, and I was a bit worried over the summer with the budget situation, but all turned out as we hoped. Now I should get fewer of the "can you put some money in my account?" calls!
 
An unexpected billet

Heard from MIDN 3/C DS today. Evidently some folks in his unit who were assigned billet responsibilities dropped, so he is doing another, unexpected, stint as squad leader. Funny thing is the freshman aren't assigned to squads yet and the one person who is currently assigned to his squad has an approved permanent schedule conflict for Lab this semester. So he'll be the only guy in the squad when he stands there and shouts "all present and accounted for". I expect he'll pick up 2 or 3 freshman tomorrow. As usual, hoping this is a good sign, and also hoping it doesn't eat up as much time as last semester when he had a problem child in his squad.
 
leapyear said:
DS and the other 3AD's from last year were called into new PMS's office today, the first day of class. They were informed that he was validating their scholarships and they all contracted this afternoon! It's been a long road, and I was a bit worried over the summer with the budget situation, but all turned out as we hoped. Now I should get fewer of the "can you put some money in my account?" calls!
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That is great news, congrats. :thumb:

BTW those can you put some money in my account calls never stop.:thumbdown:
 
leapyear said:
DS and the other 3AD's from last year were called into new PMS's office today, the first day of class. They were informed that he was validating their scholarships and they all contracted this afternoon! It's been a long road, and I was a bit worried over the summer with the budget situation, but all turned out as we hoped. Now I should get fewer of the "can you put some money in my account?" calls!
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Congratulations. I hope the money starts flowing soon. :thumb:
 
kinnem said:
Heard from MIDN 3/C DS today. Evidently some folks in his unit who were assigned billet responsibilities dropped, so he is doing another, unexpected, stint as squad leader. Funny thing is the freshman aren't assigned to squads yet and the one person who is currently assigned to his squad has an approved permanent schedule conflict for Lab this semester. So he'll be the only guy in the squad when he stands there and shouts "all present and accounted for". I expect he'll pick up 2 or 3 freshman tomorrow. As usual, hoping this is a good sign, and also hoping it doesn't eat up as much time as last semester when he had a problem child in his squad.
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Best wishes to your DS and congrats. He seems pretty capable of handling these things.
 
I talked to my DS this weekend and got an update on what took place this past week for AFROTC. Monday- new cadet orientation, took up most the day and all the new cadets were issued uniforms (80+). Early Wednesday morning- First PT Session with all cadets and a practice PFT administered. DS said that he passed it, but it was not recorded. Wednesday was also the start of his first university classes. Thursday morning all HSSP cadets had to meet at the detachment for another height and weight check, and then went over and signed contract papers. Later on in the day during Leadership Lab, all HSSP cadets were sworn in in front of the entire detachment. So he is now officially a contracted cadet! :smile:
 
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I talked to my DS this weekend and got an update on what took place this past week for AFROTC. Monday- new cadet orientation, took up most the day and all the new cadets were issued uniforms (80+). Early Wednesday morning- First PT Session with all cadets and a practice PFT administered. DS said that he passed it, but it was not recorded. Wednesday was also the start of his first university classes. Thursday morning all HSSP cadets had to meet at the detachment for another height and weight check, and then went over and signed contract papers. Later on in the day during Leadership Lab, all HSSP cadets were sworn in in front of the entire detachment. So he is now officially a contracted cadet! :smile:
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That is awesome Flying. We have not yet been issued uniforms. Only PT gear and a Det. Shirt to wear with kahki pants. They said we won't get ours for a while, til the end of the semester maybe:thumbdown:. I'm itching to don that uniform, but I can understand why they might wait to issue it to us. Glad to hear your son is doing well.
 
FlyingWildcatDad said:
I talked to my DS this weekend and got an update on what took place this past week for AFROTC. Monday- new cadet orientation, took up most the day and all the new cadets were issued uniforms (80+). Early Wednesday morning- First PT Session with all cadets and a practice PFT administered. DS said that he passed it, but it was not recorded. Wednesday was also the start of his first university classes. Thursday morning all HSSP cadets had to meet at the detachment for another height and weight check, and then went over and signed contract papers. Later on in the day during Leadership Lab, all HSSP cadets were sworn in in front of the entire detachment. So he is now officially a contracted cadet! :smile:
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Congratulations to your DS FlyingWildcatDad! That's awesome. I know your proud of him and I'm sure he feels somewhat "validated". I'm jealous.

My MIDN 3/C had their first "inventory" PFT this AM. he scored 298 of 300. He was about 20 sec. behind on the run. I'm sure he'll be back at 300 when the official one occurs (Dad said hopefully). They still haven't used the sorting hat to assign the freshman to squads yet. Evidently the "draft" is taking some time.
 
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