Fall Semester 2012 xROTC updates

My DS contracted with AFROTC on 23 August 2012, and today he found out via email from UK student accounts that the AFROTC paid his tuition and fees on September 5th. That was an amazing surprise because we did not expect the tuition bill to be paid until October. KUDOS to his Cadre!!! :biggrin:

Glad to hear everyone operated efficiently. I know its a load off your mind. I would be fretting and fretting until I knew that payment was made! :smile:
 
I am impressed too, I don't think I have ever known a unit to get this done so quickly!
 
NROTC tuition payment

After reading the most recent posts, I checked my son's account - his tuition was paid by ROTC on September 7! I was equally surprised, expecting payment mid-October.:thumb:
 
It might be that they are offering less scholarships compared to yrs prior and they can now process the scholarship cadet/mids faster.
 
NROTC PRT

DS passed PRT this morning! We spoke yesterday afternooon and he was concerned about his push-ups, even though he had worked on them during the summer. He's a runner and had to work on upper body strength and gaining weight over the summer.

Though he has room for improvement in push-ups (good) and situps (excellent), he ran faster than the best time on the scoring grid! He ended up with an excellent overall. I know him, and he will work on those push-ups until they are in the outstanding category too. :thumb:
 
jiller59,

You might want to tell him to slow down his run, but keep it fast enough to max out for that portion.

The reason why is once he goes off the scoring grid he can't get more points, but at the same time he is using energy. Energy that he could use for a better purpose which would be push ups.

Most posters will tell candidates never go pass the time/number needed to max out because you are using body energy that was not required in the 1st place.
 
PIMA -

Thanks so much for the advice, I will definitely pass it along to him. Since he isn't used to running 1.5 miles (he ran 3200 meter track and 5k cross country), he probably wasn't certain the pace he would need to get the max time - he will get used to how to pace himself. I am sure being concerned about the pushup score, he wanted to be sure to get as many points as possible in his strong area. He was feeling a lot of pressure at this first PRT.

Thanks again - this guidance in invaluable!
 
I think the run is last. If I am correct, slowing down doesn't help anything.

Congratulations to your son!
 
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I think the run is last. If I am correct, slowing down doesn't help anything.

Congratulations to your son!

I would agree with this.

I believe you are correct, the run is the last event.

I'm not sure how NROTC handles the scoring for their PRT, sounds like AFROTC stops counting once the Maximum is reached in each event.

If NROTC happens to score like AROTC, meaning that there is are extra points added to the maximum scores, then running faster and doing more PU and SU's can be a benefit to the cadet or Mid. This is something your son might want to check.

In AROTC it is possible to get a score much higher then the maximum 300. My son's last APFT was 320.

I would agree with PIMA in one regard, balance the effort in the PU and SU's to make sure he can get the maximum results in both, but as far as the run since it is last, he should go as hard as he can, believe me, the cadre will take notice of his effort.

jiller59,
Congtratulations to your son.
 
I would agree with this.

I believe you are correct, the run is the last event.

I'm not sure how NROTC handles the scoring for their PRT, sounds like AFROTC stops counting once the Maximum is reached in each event.

If NROTC happens to score like AROTC, meaning that there is are extra points added to the maximum scores, then running faster and doing more PU and SU's can be a benefit to the cadet or Mid. This is something your son might want to check.

In AROTC it is possible to get a score much higher then the maximum 300. My son's last APFT was 320.

I would agree with PIMA in one regard, balance the effort in the PU and SU's to make sure he can get the maximum results in both, but as far as the run since it is last, he should go as hard as he can, believe me, the cadre will take notice of his effort.

jiller59,
Congtratulations to your son.

NROTC does not award points beyond the max for an event. i.e no extra points.

Congrats to your DS jiller59. It's wonderful to see them succeed. Pacing on the run is one of the more difficult things to do.... or even remember to do while you're running. I keep telling my DS he needs to time himself on each mile of his run so he knows if he is hitting the right pace and adjust accordingly. He never remembers this on his first PFT. It cost him a few points this year on the inventory PFT.
 
Thanks Kinnem for the information regarding the NROTC PFT.

I'm sure my son would love it if that was the case in the Army's APFT. They work hard to get to 300, when there they get asked..."why didn't you get a 320" The competition between the cadets can get pretty intense sometimes.
 
jcleppe -- in the three APFTs that go into the OMS calculations... 1st Sem MSIII, 2nd Semester MSIII, and LDAC, do any of those three component scores for APFT get bonus points for surpassing 300? I suspect it counts only for image and perception and would get points in other "subjective" areas of OMS components like PMS eval, TAC eval, etc. Does that sound right to you?
 
jcleppe -- in the three APFTs that go into the OMS calculations... 1st Sem MSIII, 2nd Semester MSIII, and LDAC, do any of those three component scores for APFT get bonus points for surpassing 300? I suspect it counts only for image and perception and would get points in other "subjective" areas of OMS components like PMS eval, TAC eval, etc. Does that sound right to you?

I believe you are correct, but if you look at the APFT scores from LDAC each year they post the scores that include the extra points. While you are right that getting a straight 300 will give you the same OMS points as say a 325, the higher score can count towards getting closer to the Top 5 at LDAC. The higher scores also help as you stated the position of a cadet on the battalion OML which counts toward OMS points.

I talked to a parent of a current MS4, he has a 3.18 GPA, Overall E at LDAC, and a 300 on all 3 APFT's. This cadets OMS score is 80.6. The weak point other then the GPA was his battalion ranking, 12/16.

I compared this to my son who graduated last year, he had a 3.5 GPA, Overall E at LDAC, and a 300 on the two battalion APFT and a 285 at LDAC (The last year new LT's did the scoring) My son was ranked 2/14, his final OMS score was 93.7

You can see how important the battalion ranking and PMS eval can be, just adding the 3.2 points for the GPA would have only raised the first cadets score to 83.8.

There are cadets that have strong GPA's but weak APFT's and vise versa, both can effect the OMS score quite a bit. It's clear that balance is important. Being low on the battalion OML means a cadet may not get the opportunities other cadets receive, such as summer training, CULP, and leadership positions. All of these can effect the OMS score.

The best thing a cadet can do is try and have a well balanced file, if they are not at the top of the GPA ladder then get the highest APFT they can and vise versa.

This is the reason some cadets push to get as high above the 300 score they can, every little bit helps.

You are right though, a 300 at LDAC will give you the max OMS score, I don't believe they give extra OMS points for anything above the 300.
 
I would agree with PIMA in one regard, balance the effort in the PU and SU's to make sure he can get the maximum results in both, but as far as the run since it is last, he should go as hard as he can, believe me, the cadre will take notice of his effort.

jiller59,
Congtratulations to your son.

jcleppe,

I spoke with DS last night. The run is last so won't impact pushups or situps. He came in 4th in the run out of the whole battalion of approx 110 MIDNs - he was very happy! DH mentioned that DS will be participating in a battalion long distance running team - I don't have the details.

He was really relieved that he won't have the extra early morning PT that lower scorers are required to do.

Thanks for everyone's kind words!
 
jcleppe,

I spoke with DS last night. The run is last so won't impact pushups or situps. He came in 4th in the run out of the whole battalion of approx 110 MIDNs - he was very happy! DH mentioned that DS will be participating in a battalion long distance running team - I don't have the details.

He was really relieved that he won't have the extra early morning PT that lower scorers are required to do.

Thanks for everyone's kind words!

Tell your son "Nice Job!"

4th out of 110 is impressive, best of luck to him on the distance team. That extra effort really gets noticed.
 
Today is the last day for contracting this Semester. If you were denied a scholarship or even a non-scholarship contract this semester because of APFT failure, make sure that you are hitting the gym over the holiday break.

It is unlikely that there will be as many contracts offered in Spring 2013 as in Fall 2012. If you want one you will need to be fully qualified: APFT, GPA, DODMERB, and Academic alignment. Being fully qualified on Day 1 may give you a small or large advantage depending on when the deadline is for the BDE OML.

Congratulations to our 4 Cadets that received Full Tuition Scholarships this week !
 
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