Few questions

In my opinion, the things that show excellence is something original and not on any list of suggestions. It's the person going outside of the box.

I don't know what you guys do for running, but coming from a track runner, when you do ALOT of tough running in a short period of time (Like Beast I assume), your running will improve a lot.
 
Ken2012 said:
In my opinion, the things that show excellence is something original and not on any list of suggestions. It's the person going outside of the box.

I don't know what you guys do for running, but coming from a track runner, when you do ALOT of tough running in a short period of time (Like Beast I assume), your running will improve a lot.
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"Be original" is a suggestion. :biggrin:

But yeah, that's why it is hard to give examples but there were generic things that could be suggested. I do believe the motivation behind the actions play a big role. Sincere desire to help is a lot better than just wanting an A militarily.

And yeah, the tougher it is, the more you will improve.
 
Were you a good runner before you came to West Point or does the program there train you to become as good as you guys are...man if I could run like that I'd be so proud of myself
 
Chock everyone can get pretty good at running you just have to train on a regular basis. Maybe not 12:28 good though haha.
 
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Thank you everyone for all the great answers. I somehow come up with more questions...

1.) Which bank is generally accepted as best one to open a checking account with at West Point? Is one bank noticably more convinient?
The form has 3 copies. Do I send all 3 to that bank and they keep one, they send one to USMA, and one to me for my records?

2.) Running shoes. Am I expected to show up with them, or will I be issued running shoes?
 
Chockstock said:
Were you a good runner before you came to West Point or does the program there train you to become as good as you guys are...man if I could run like that I'd be so proud of myself
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My 2 mile time before Beast was 13:22. Like I said earlier, you get what you put in. That is why it is beneficial to try your hardest on the diagnostic so you are put into a group that will develop your running skills the most. Of course, once Beast is over, it is up to you to maintain running so your time doesn't go back up.]

2012Cadet said:
Man, a 6:14/mi. pace...haven't ran the mile in a while but don't think could do 1 mile in 6:14...I have a long way to go.
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Don't worry, you still have 2 more years to go and your time will improve. All you need is practice. :thumb:
 
Insurance

There has been a lot of good information regarding auto insurance posted on other forums. My sense is that you will be driving at WP. There is a lot of car borrowing that goes on. Many cadets get a non owner liability policy from USAA. You may wish to check it out. Driving without insurance is a bad idea.
 
America's Finest said:
Trust me, that is by no means the fastest here. I ran my last 2 mile in 12:28 and I am by no means the fastest one here. Not even close. :shake:
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How are you doing 6 minute pace for 45 minutes up hills if you can't even run a two mile in less than 12 minutes. I don't understand at all. And I know I sound impatient and somewhat insolent but I feel like there is conflicting information. If there answer is shut up just wait till beast that's fine.
 
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BAJohnson said:
How are you doing 6 minute pace for 45 minutes up hills if you can't even run a two mile in less than 12 minutes. I don't understand at all. And I know I sound impatient and somewhat insolent but I feel like there is conflicting information. If there answer is shut up just wait till beast that's fine.
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I was unable to perform my best on the APFT due to an incident that happened the day prior to it. I am more than capable of running two in less than 12 minutes. TWO current cadets have confirmed that this is true. If that is not enough for you, there is nothing more I can do.
 
I have a couple of questions about running as well.

How far are the longest distances run during BCT?

I'm also a bit confused on the deal with running shoes (such as color restrictions). I have a pair broken in that have worked well for a few months that I hope I'll be able to take with.

Thanks
 
America's Finest said:
I was unable to perform my best on the APFT due to an incident that happened the day prior to it. I am more than capable of running two in less than 12 minutes. TWO current cadets have confirmed that this is true. If that is not enough for you, there is nothing more I can do.
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I'm curious about the fitness groups they put you in...are they like...based on your overall physical ability? Or is it specific things?

Also, what aspect of your physical fitness is given most emphasis?

The reason I ask is because I'm a fairly good runner (I can run all day (almost literally) at about a 6:30/mi pace), but I'm not all that good with upper body (like pushups specifically).
 
im assuming the running groups consist of males and females, is this correct? if so, whats generally the percentage of girls in this black group? i ran a 2 mile last week just under 13 minutes, so would this place me in the black group?
 
hopkins2010 said:
I have a couple of questions about running as well.

How far are the longest distances run during BCT?

I'm also a bit confused on the deal with running shoes (such as color restrictions). I have a pair broken in that have worked well for a few months that I hope I'll be able to take with.

Thanks
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It's hard to say how long the runs are but be prepared to run at least 3 miles per run on the runs. As far as running shoes are concerned, just get something that doesn't stand out too much. Dark colors are best.

TheKnight said:
I'm curious about the fitness groups they put you in...are they like...based on your overall physical ability? Or is it specific things?

Also, what aspect of your physical fitness is given most emphasis?

The reason I ask is because I'm a fairly good runner (I can run all day (almost literally) at about a 6:30/mi pace), but I'm not all that good with upper body (like pushups specifically).
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The only groups we were placed in were for running. We did muscular endurance training together. The less fit people simply ended up going at a slower pace or having someone else spot them.

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im assuming the running groups consist of males and females, is this correct? if so, whats generally the percentage of girls in this black group? i ran a 2 mile last week just under 13 minutes, so would this place me in the black group?
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There were 2 girls in black group but only one stayed in (the other went down to Gray group). There was a second black group but I don't know about that one.*

*The Beast regiment was divided into two for physical training. One half did muscular endurance and the other half ran. They alternated everyday so there were two black groups.
 
hopkins2010 said:
I have a couple of questions about running as well.

How far are the longest distances run during BCT?

I'm also a bit confused on the deal with running shoes (such as color restrictions). I have a pair broken in that have worked well for a few months that I hope I'll be able to take with.

Thanks
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'09 Grad. Didn't ever have any issues come up about my running shoes being against the rules. Simply wore the same Brooks shoes that I always wore in high school. In my time as a New Cadet, through my time as a CBT squad leader, and even last July as a CBT TAC (supervising officer), never saw any problems come up about cadet's personal running shoes. Nor during my eight seasons on the Marathon Team.

Just wear shoes that are 1) best for your feet, and 2) not worn out. For instance, I wear Brooks Adrenaline because it has better support for flat feet, and I switch them out every 4 months or so if I'm putting in lots of miles.


rocktheblackgold said:
im assuming the running groups consist of males and females, is this correct? if so, whats generally the percentage of girls in this black group? i ran a 2 mile last week just under 13 minutes, so would this place me in the black group?
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13 minutes is the max (100 pts) time on the guys scale, so any guy OR gal running 13-or-under will definitely fall within the top tier, so Black Group. Usually if you're near or under 13, you should run Black Group.
 
How is the 2-mile run on the APFT administered?
 
Hearty second to edhvoice. Driving without insurance is a bad idea. Not driving because you don't have insurance and wishing you did is also bad.

Being a student driver who is at school far from home (in other words, without regular access to a car) means that you are in such a low risk bracket for the insurance company that your dad may be able to carry you on his policy for a mere pittance of what happens when you are living there at home. Check it out.

One absolutely terrible thing that can happen from not having insurance is that you are unable to prevent a buddy from making completely the wrong call regarding driving.

A less horrible scenario involves not being able to take freedom when you are presented with it (later on!) -- your sponsor asks you to help them move their car or offers to let you make a run to the store, or another cadet lets you borrow his/her car; that sort of thing.

Hesitating to take the keys from someone when it needs to be done simply because you don't have insurance coverage would be WRONG. Taking them anyway and driving without insurance would ALSO be wrong.

Why set up a lose-lose situation like that? Get insurance.
 
Chockstock said:
How is the 2-mile run on the APFT administered?
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At West Point, you are broken into groups based purely on accession through the earlier stages of the test. That is to say, you are not tested by ability. You will run with a random group of 10-20 of the other cadets who started their APFT with you.

You will be placed at the starting line on Target Hill Rd (or whatever the name of it is now, adjacent to the river and rail line) and you will run to the far end where you will double back to a turnaround point approximately 1/3 of a mile back. When you hit the turnaround point, you will turn around (for a second time) and go back to the far end of the course. From there, you will turn around a third time and run back to the starting line.

The kicker is that the turnaround point is adjacent to the wastewater treatment plant. Breathe deeply, cadets. :thumbdown:
 
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