Hey, I can believe everything you say because you are always right. Wrong!
First F-35 "dropped" in UPT last night
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Hey, I can believe everything you say because you are always right. Wrong!
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First and final warning from the mods. Keep the discussion relevant and mature or I'll issue infractions. You all know where you stand in points, so keep it civil.
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Most could careless but for those who do here's a report whether you believe it or not. One thing is for certain $$$$ will go ^^^.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...OZjpQ1FHX0COIdbZg&sig2=LmBsADn2uc9At8AbFIswcQ
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...OZjpQ1FHX0COIdbZg&sig2=LmBsADn2uc9At8AbFIswcQ
I own that shirt! Bought it when we were doing DT/OT on our system (hey look I can throw around amazing DoD acquisition terms too!) and need to add a little fun to 12 hour days, 7 days a week for 2 months. It won the shirt battle.
I hadn't read this thread in awhile and had to stop and make a bowl of cereal to complete it.
I hadn't read this thread in awhile and had to stop and make a bowl of cereal to complete it.
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If we're going to continue posting links....
Here's a good book (I don't own it). Check out the reviews........
http://www.amazon.com/Avoid-Huge-Sh...large ships&qid=1461025254&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1
Here's a good book (I don't own it). Check out the reviews........
http://www.amazon.com/Avoid-Huge-Sh...large ships&qid=1461025254&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1
In all honesty, my son wanted a fighter, he got a heavy. I have seen him work and always hope he gets what he wants. In this case he didn't. I looked at it as a blessing in disguise. I was definitely hoping and praying he would not end up in an F-35.
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Son knows that he will eventually move to the F-35 since all of the AD Viper squadrons will transition to it. Right now it is just a matter of whether he does it now as his next assignment, or if he stays in the Viper for a while to develop and then transitions later. He is excited at the prospect of flying the new jet and I am happy to support whatever he does.
Stealth_81
I am sure my son would have liked the opportunity for an F-35, but being his father, and seeing, reading and hearing all the problems they have had with it, I think it may be a blessing. I don't want to get into a pissing match, I am sure you love and support your son as I love and support mine.
All I'm trying to do is get the info out there. I hate to see our service people get hurt when we could be soooo much smarter.
H HA hA HA ha really cool CG stuff nice bible
H HA hA HA ha really cool CG stuff nice bible
Now this is really FUNNY stuff.. Ha Ha Ha
Obama Administration Backs Lockheed Sale of F-35 Fighter Jets in Violation of Contract with Partner Nations
MAYBE WE CAN MAKE A T-SHIRT WITH THIS ON IT
WHY IS THE PENTAGON DOING THIS?
Since the F-35 development program is far behind schedule, with a Milestone C production and deployment decision postponed until at least 2019, the Pentagon is substituting useless, faulty pre-production jets in its attempted sales to JSF Partners, who of course are reticent to buy them at $160 million per plane. The Partners have only purchased 24 jets to date, so the Pentagon has shifted attention to other client countries for F-35 sales in order to satisfy Lockheed-Martin with increased production (and profits).
hA Ha ha
or maybe this
THE PRIME CONTRACTOR LOVES IT
Lockheed-Martin has dragged out the F-35 system development program from the original schedule of eight or ten years to. . . .forever. Nevertheless, Lockheed has full US government backing to sell pre-production prototypes on the market to US allies who can be pressured to buy. Not only does Lockheed profit from increased production even before a production decision (2019?), it also gets a piece of the offset sweeteners. The US government sets up the FMS deal itself, but Lockheed arranges the offset contracts, called offset because they balance the foreign government costs with benefits to local manufacturers with increased employment (it may export US jobs but who cares about that). Lockheed has a lot of experience in many countries with offsets as a part of the F-16 program FMS. The local embassies are a big help. The US ambassador to Poland once bragged in a chamber of commerce speech in Warsaw that he had helped arrange various local manufacturing contracts (aircraft, automotive, etc.) with a total value DOUBLE that of the F-16 sale to Poland.
Obama Administration Backs Lockheed Sale of F-35 Fighter Jets in Violation of Contract with Partner Nations
MAYBE WE CAN MAKE A T-SHIRT WITH THIS ON IT
WHY IS THE PENTAGON DOING THIS?
Since the F-35 development program is far behind schedule, with a Milestone C production and deployment decision postponed until at least 2019, the Pentagon is substituting useless, faulty pre-production jets in its attempted sales to JSF Partners, who of course are reticent to buy them at $160 million per plane. The Partners have only purchased 24 jets to date, so the Pentagon has shifted attention to other client countries for F-35 sales in order to satisfy Lockheed-Martin with increased production (and profits).
hA Ha ha
or maybe this
THE PRIME CONTRACTOR LOVES IT
Lockheed-Martin has dragged out the F-35 system development program from the original schedule of eight or ten years to. . . .forever. Nevertheless, Lockheed has full US government backing to sell pre-production prototypes on the market to US allies who can be pressured to buy. Not only does Lockheed profit from increased production even before a production decision (2019?), it also gets a piece of the offset sweeteners. The US government sets up the FMS deal itself, but Lockheed arranges the offset contracts, called offset because they balance the foreign government costs with benefits to local manufacturers with increased employment (it may export US jobs but who cares about that). Lockheed has a lot of experience in many countries with offsets as a part of the F-16 program FMS. The local embassies are a big help. The US ambassador to Poland once bragged in a chamber of commerce speech in Warsaw that he had helped arrange various local manufacturing contracts (aircraft, automotive, etc.) with a total value DOUBLE that of the F-16 sale to Poland.
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Bruh. Let it go.
Never one to elevate the level of discussion, but.... Just saw this brief report. I think it came from Aviation Week.
BETHESDA, Md. — A spokesman for Lockheed Martin today denied that there is any reason to be alarmed about possible shortcomings of the military’s newest and most expensive fighter plane after reports surfaced this weekend that an F-35, lost a mock dogfight with a Fokker Dr.I Triplane similar to the aircraft once piloted by World War I German Ace Manfred von Richtofen, the “Red Baron,” piloted by a World War I reenactor.
“The F-35 isn’t really meant for that kind of fighting,” said Lance McCory, a Lockheed spokesman. “We intend it to be a first-rate mulitrole attack aircraft, and to excel at long-range fighting, what we call BVR, or ‘Beyond Visual Range’ air combat. Not to worry about some Hun who’s been dead a hundred years. Frankly, the two aircraft involved in this battle represent two different philosophies of air combat.”
The Fokker Dr.I Triplane, made of wood and doped linen, entered service with the German Army Air service in 1917. It was famous for its considerable maneuverability and its high rate of climb. The pilot sat in an open cockpit, exposed to the weather, and had primitive controls by today’s standards.
McCory went on to add, “The Dr.I triplane might out climb, out turn, and out dive the F-35, but where is its radar? Where are its sensors? Where is the laser terrain guidance? Sure, up close, in a knife fight, the Dr.I has machine guns, and an F-35 pilot just has his sidearm. And [the Dr.I’s] cloth wings are nearly invisible to radar. But we have ‘the world’s most advanced fighter jet.'”
Capt. A.J. Schrag, an Air Combat Command spokesman, said “There’s no way to adapt the [Dr.I] airframe to carry the required missiles and radar. It might be good in a dogfight, but not standing off for close air support, and it’s completely hopeless when it comes to engaging targets in a BVR-type air battle.”
Meanwhile, according to a source close to the recent dogfight, the F-35 “turns like a garbage truck. It might be faster than the triplane, but that doesn’t matter in a stall fight.”
Lockheed officials have separately downplayed reports that the same F-35, flown by the same pilot, previously lost mock dogfights with the Goodyear Blimp and a beagle on a flying doghouse.
Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Mark A. Welsh III declined comment through a spokesman, saying only, “Curse you, Red Baron!”
BETHESDA, Md. — A spokesman for Lockheed Martin today denied that there is any reason to be alarmed about possible shortcomings of the military’s newest and most expensive fighter plane after reports surfaced this weekend that an F-35, lost a mock dogfight with a Fokker Dr.I Triplane similar to the aircraft once piloted by World War I German Ace Manfred von Richtofen, the “Red Baron,” piloted by a World War I reenactor.
“The F-35 isn’t really meant for that kind of fighting,” said Lance McCory, a Lockheed spokesman. “We intend it to be a first-rate mulitrole attack aircraft, and to excel at long-range fighting, what we call BVR, or ‘Beyond Visual Range’ air combat. Not to worry about some Hun who’s been dead a hundred years. Frankly, the two aircraft involved in this battle represent two different philosophies of air combat.”
The Fokker Dr.I Triplane, made of wood and doped linen, entered service with the German Army Air service in 1917. It was famous for its considerable maneuverability and its high rate of climb. The pilot sat in an open cockpit, exposed to the weather, and had primitive controls by today’s standards.
McCory went on to add, “The Dr.I triplane might out climb, out turn, and out dive the F-35, but where is its radar? Where are its sensors? Where is the laser terrain guidance? Sure, up close, in a knife fight, the Dr.I has machine guns, and an F-35 pilot just has his sidearm. And [the Dr.I’s] cloth wings are nearly invisible to radar. But we have ‘the world’s most advanced fighter jet.'”
Capt. A.J. Schrag, an Air Combat Command spokesman, said “There’s no way to adapt the [Dr.I] airframe to carry the required missiles and radar. It might be good in a dogfight, but not standing off for close air support, and it’s completely hopeless when it comes to engaging targets in a BVR-type air battle.”
Meanwhile, according to a source close to the recent dogfight, the F-35 “turns like a garbage truck. It might be faster than the triplane, but that doesn’t matter in a stall fight.”
Lockheed officials have separately downplayed reports that the same F-35, flown by the same pilot, previously lost mock dogfights with the Goodyear Blimp and a beagle on a flying doghouse.
Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Mark A. Welsh III declined comment through a spokesman, saying only, “Curse you, Red Baron!”
You sure that Fokker wasn't flying a Messerschmidt?
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Okay, a call for more links. Take a look at the first 2 videos- you might learn something.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiDu7CPirXMAhWGJiYKHUCdBfsQqQIIHTAA&url=http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/28/politics/air-force-f-35-vs-a-10-showdown/&usg=AFQjCNF9m2_s7k-KfudjJOKGdM18CrxFOQ&sig2=ieL2dv1Nf2auB2Gz13dKZA
I guess John McCain is all over the place-should we believe that McCain doesn't know as much as these LINKS.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiDu7CPirXMAhWGJiYKHUCdBfsQqQIIITAC&url=http://www.businessinsider.com/f35-is-all-over-the-place-2016-4&usg=AFQjCNGZqRnMH9FWk9pr0XPiI_uICGkoOQ&sig2=vHO9Hc7w_fn7CiaaPTMMSQ
Gee wiz "NOW DON'T BE SAD FOR 1 OUT OF 6 AIN'T BAD"
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiDu7CPirXMAhWGJiYKHUCdBfsQqQIIHzAB&url=http://hotair.com/archives/2016/04/29/great-news-one-of-six-f-35s-capable-of-alert-launch-in-air-force-test/&usg=AFQjCNFG4BnNSXIsuYSRcLsVGMVe5w1tXQ&sig2=50dqEPX1dZbxLkUSVSCFYw
I think the guys at the group could get there own verses in with this tune-don'tcha think?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiB0NTKjrXMAhXKTSYKHS21Cz4QtwIIITAB&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5hWWe-ts2s&usg=AFQjCNG1p3vJypqd4JEC_D8bYpuBUrmyrw&sig2=EflSxx4duFV27q5JzB2bVg
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiDu7CPirXMAhWGJiYKHUCdBfsQqQIIHTAA&url=http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/28/politics/air-force-f-35-vs-a-10-showdown/&usg=AFQjCNF9m2_s7k-KfudjJOKGdM18CrxFOQ&sig2=ieL2dv1Nf2auB2Gz13dKZA
I guess John McCain is all over the place-should we believe that McCain doesn't know as much as these LINKS.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiDu7CPirXMAhWGJiYKHUCdBfsQqQIIITAC&url=http://www.businessinsider.com/f35-is-all-over-the-place-2016-4&usg=AFQjCNGZqRnMH9FWk9pr0XPiI_uICGkoOQ&sig2=vHO9Hc7w_fn7CiaaPTMMSQ
Gee wiz "NOW DON'T BE SAD FOR 1 OUT OF 6 AIN'T BAD"
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiDu7CPirXMAhWGJiYKHUCdBfsQqQIIHzAB&url=http://hotair.com/archives/2016/04/29/great-news-one-of-six-f-35s-capable-of-alert-launch-in-air-force-test/&usg=AFQjCNFG4BnNSXIsuYSRcLsVGMVe5w1tXQ&sig2=50dqEPX1dZbxLkUSVSCFYw
I think the guys at the group could get there own verses in with this tune-don'tcha think?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiB0NTKjrXMAhXKTSYKHS21Cz4QtwIIITAB&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5hWWe-ts2s&usg=AFQjCNG1p3vJypqd4JEC_D8bYpuBUrmyrw&sig2=EflSxx4duFV27q5JzB2bVg
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Soooo....Not done?
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