form 0-205

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  1. btown13

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    for the acceptance/declination of appointment form (0-28), if you are under 18 your parent/guardian has to sign a certain section at the bottom, which states,

    "I certify that I am the legal guardian of __________________, a minor whose birth date is_____________. I have read and understand the terms of USAFA Form O-205(Record of Acceptance, Obligation, Reimbursement and Oath of Allegiance) and hereby consent to my child's execution of this document."

    what is and where can my parents view form O-205. I've googled it but haven't had very much success. It seems they would have included it in the appointment packet but I guess not.
     
  2. packermatt7

    packermatt7 USAFA Cadet

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    I received mine in the Appointment packet. It is near the bottom of the sheet where you accept or decline the appointment and state if you want a plane ticket before June 25.

    You did not get that form?
     
  3. btown13

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    well i have the acceptance/declination of appointment form, where you write down your name, SSN, check that you accept, check if you want a plane ticket, write down your address and contact info, and certify that you haven't had any recent medical problems. Below that it says you must get a bank account and then it has Attention: If you will not yet be 18 years of age by 25 June 2009, your legal guardian must complete this section. Then it has what i wrote down above. I don't see anywhere that I can read what form O-205 is and what it entails however.

    at the bottom of the acceptance/declination of appointment form is says that it is form O-28, so I know the whole thing isn't form O-205
     
  4. af2012

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    I'm pretty sure last year it was on a seperate piece of paper in the packet...
     
  5. btown13

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    yeah i received the armed forces bank envelope and the transportation information to usafa sheet along with the orientation and USAFA booklet things, the letter, and form O-28 but nothing else
     
  6. Christcorp

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    As noted, there is the one form that you and your legal parent/guardian sign (If you are under 18). The USAFA Form O-205(Record of Acceptance, Obligation, Reimbursement and Oath of Allegiance should be a separate paper that says across it; "Information only" or something similar. It is just informative. Nothing to be signed or returned. It could also be the "Back-Side" of one of the papers. Check again. later... mike....
     
  7. btown13

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    If it was a separate sheet or on the backside of anothersheet I definitely did not get it. interesting...:confused:
     
  8. packermatt7

    packermatt7 USAFA Cadet

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    I never received a sheet like that either, so I don't think it exists. I would call your Admissions Counselor tomorrow.

    Were you really born after June 25? You're a young one.
     
  9. kt.gipson@gmail.com

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    I was born in October '91. :p I skipped Kindergarden, so that's why I'm so young compared to everyone else in my grade.
     
  10. Christcorp

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    For what it's worth; if you are just curious about "What part of your life you are signing away", you can go to the academy website and read the part on "Obligation". Definitely contact the academy so they can email or snail mail you the "Official" copy. Basically, you probably know what you are signing away.

    1. Maintain your gpa and you won't get academically dismissed. (Remember, this is a 4 year school. There is no 5th year except for extenuating circumstances where you might have had to leave for a semester or two). There is some summer school for catching up, but the best thing to do is to maintain your 2.0 or higher gpa.

    2. Anytime in the 1st two years, you can decide that the academy isn't for you and elect to leave. Of course, the academy has invested a lot into you, so they are going to want to counsel you extensively in the hopes of helping you with whatever issues you have, and hopefully retaining you. Remember, they DON'T WANT YOU TO FAIL AND LEAVE. They wouldn't have selected you in the first place.

    3. If you do leave prior to beginning your 3rd year; best of luck to you. You're free to go on with your life. However, if you leave in the 3rd or 4th year of your own choosing or for academic reasons, then you will owe the military a certain amount of time on active duty as an enlisted person. Ranges between 2 and 4 years depending on when you got out of the academy.

    4. If you are administratively released from the academy because of disciplinary actions or because of similar "Bad things"; the academy can proceed to be "Reimbursed" by you for what they've spent on you at the academy. This however is rare to almost never. But it is still a possibility. You'd have to really screw up. On the lines of "Legal" issues and reasons.

    5. After successfully graduating, you will be commissioned as a 2nd Lieutenant. At which time you will owe 5 years of active duty service as payment "Lack of a better word" for the 4 year $400,000 education they gave you. After which, you are free to leave via a discharge or pursue a re-enlistment and longer career.

    This is the basics of your commitment to the academy/air force, and their commitment to you. Basically, when you and/or your parents/guardian signs the appointment acceptance, you are saying that you understand your responsibilities and obligations. If you need detailed information, definitely contact the academy admissions office/counselor.

    Remember, the academy understands that even though you may "Understand" fully all the details, you can't be expected 100% to fully appreciate the reality of the academy and the commitment it entails. My son grew up in a military house most of his young life. He say me in uniform every day; saw me go off to the middle east for months at a time; understood my OBLIGATIONS; yet he still wasn't/isn't 100% understanding of the commitment. That is why they allow you, after counseling and exploring all options, to leave the academy with no commitment whatsoever. So long as it's done PRIOR to 1st day of the start of your 3rd year.

    Anyway, I hope this is of some use to you or others who may wonder what the "Basic" commitments and obligations are for someone accepted to the air force academy. Definitely contact the academy counselors for detailed information. Or, if I find the page; "You learn to keep a copy of EVERYTHING in the military"; I will try and post a PDF of it for those interested. Good luck.... Mike.....
     
  11. Luigi59

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    **** NIT-PICKING TECHNICALITY ALERT **** :biggrin:

    1. The actual commitment is 8 years, 5 of which must be active duty, the remainder can be inactive reserve.

    2. Officers don't "re-enlist." :wink: You are a commissioned officer until you resign.

    US Air Force Academy Obligations
     
  12. Just_A_Mom

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    **** NIT-PICKING TECHNICALITY ALERT **** :biggrin:

    1. The commitment is 8 years, of which 5 must be active duty. The remainder can be Reserve or IRR - if you are not Stop-Lossed. Which admitedly is unlikely to occur in the AF, but has occurred in the Army.

    2. You are a commissioned officer until your resignation is accepted or you are relieved of your commission - i.e. failure to make a promotion. 20 years is not guaranteed.

    Btown13 - you can relax. If you are under 18 on I-Day the academy will make sure you get the form. It's early yet.
     
  13. Christcorp

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    Luigi; you are correct in the "Nitpicking". I however have a tendency to write in basic language. Especially when speaking of the military. Military jargon is not something many people understand. Military people have a tendency to speak in a language all their own without even realizing it. Anyway, you are correct. Officers don't re-enlist. But for the layman out there, after your 1st 5 year commitment, you are free to, if the air force WANTS you, to stay in longer. And the additional 3 years of "Inactive" is reserved for calling you up in time of emergencies. Very rarely used. In the real world, you OWE the military 5 years after graduating from the academy. After that, you can leave if that's what you want. Later... Mike...
     
  14. Just_A_Mom

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    Yes, but it has been used. In the recent past - much to the chagrin of those who thought they had served their time.
    It holds true for ROTC and enlisted as well. Everyone has an 8 year commitment to their country - If you get an ROTC scholarship and are required to serve 4 years AD then you will be on IRR for 4 years.
    If you enlist for 3 years and they let you get out at the end of your enlistment you are on IRR for 5 years.
    These are unsteady times and folks have been caught off guard.

    That said - if you are an officer and retire after 20 years - like Bullet, you can be recalled in a National Emergency. I am not sure of the specifics - Bullet can expound, I am sure.
     
  15. Christcorp

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    Once I went past 8 years of "Active" duty, I was no longer under an "Inactive Reserve" commitment. Of course, even after retiring/separating, they could recall in case of a national emergency. However, I can't recall that having been done; or at least the last time. But I consider all of this secondary to wanting to "Serve". Hopefully people are looking at serving as a duty and what they want, and not just a temporary "requirement" enforced to basically "Pay back" a college education. I'm sure there are some, but the vast majority of those at the academy are quite aware of their desire to "serve" and what it involves.
     
  16. btown13

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    wont turn 18 until almost 2 months after I-day actually, birthday is 8/23/91.
    yeah i know I'm young, however, it is somewhat of a morale booster knowing that I'm almost a year younger than some of my peers:cool:

    and thank you christcorp. i knew most of that basic info from the website, but my dad wants to know exactly what is being signed and all. He's that kind of person, which is good.
     
  17. NChopeful

    NChopeful Candidate Appointee

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    Is there a checklist of what should be returned, filled out? There is the one main sheet (with carbon paper sheets attached), yea, and what else? the bank info can't be returned until you get your PO box number, right? another point, if I'm planning to travel earlier than June 25, say the 22nd, who do I talk to? There is no place on the appointment acceptance sheet for this...
     
  18. 13ryan13

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    My bank sheet had stuff highlighted, and all i did was fill out the lines that were high lighted. no po box number was asked for, so i just sent it in in that envelope, and i sent the main sheet (carbon copies) in the bigger oranger envelope. that was all, just those two documents
     
  19. packermatt7

    packermatt7 USAFA Cadet

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    I wish we could get our bank accounts now...

    I just sent in the Acceptance/Rejection letter and the bank sheet. Just fill out the highlighted areas... wasn't sure what to do for the box with "Military" something.
     
  20. NChopeful

    NChopeful Candidate Appointee

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    any ideas about an earlier flight? I've been trying to call my counselor but the site seems to be down... I just wrote it in next to the line that said "please send me an airline ticket." or... if anyone can give me the number to the admissions counselors....
     

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