Found a great chart showing percentages/stats, etc.

Excellent point and another sad example of some misplaced priorities at the USNA.
Nails it. And enabling USNA to establish elite, disparate groups and privileges unavailable to all men and women citizens is precisely the reason the Revolution was fought. To escape tyranny and the notion of "class", i.e. that one's birthright becomes essential to one's possibilities.

Martin Luther King must be rolling over in his grave. His objective was a fair, honest OPPORTUNITY for all, regardless of color, creed, race. At it's best, this is unconstitutional. At its worst, its immoral and not merely un-American, but anti-American.

And it dismisses and diminishes one of the fundamental principles of our military and its success in becoming the greatest the world has ever known ... the fundamental notion that no matter who you are, where you've come from, where your parents or grandparents have matriculated from ... a soldier and a sailor shall be assessed and recognized according to his/her performance, what she's done!

This will be resolved as the taxpaying public/electorate grasp the fact that there are overtly racist policies deemed the #1 priority of the military.
 
Folks, the mods have let this thread go on for quite a long time. It is beginning to outlive its usefulness and is bordering on being closed.

Remember that this board is for a discussion of USNA admissions and related topics. If you want to discuss the military's policy on affirmative action and related subjects, please take it to the Academy/Military News or Off Topic forum, as appropriate. And let's always keep dialogue civil and productive.

Thanks.
 
'85, if this isn't about the broad and specific admissions policies and topics, I'm a monkey's uncle. We understand it is not cheerleading or particularly pleasant, but it is the truth.
 
I guess usna1985 forgot to put the lock on.
Not sure this can be *discussed* on Academy/Military news either even when it's news as evidenced by the lock the other day.

The gibberish continues.
 
This is my first post ever but I have been stalking this site for the last several months after watching DS devote the last year of his life seeking admission to USNA. To respond to 1985, I respectfully suggest this is an admissions issue. For better or worse, DS is a non-NAPS, CA male who doesn't play football. If I had known that even 3Q plus nom his chances would still be less than 50/50, I might have tried to discourage him from following his dream knowing the likely outcome. Instead, he labored under the belief that if he could get past DoDMERB and get a nom, that his chances were very high. Turns out that is not the case. I naively assumed USNA would be largely a meritocracy, so I am now more educated than I would like. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. So....we now wait for the sad day when TWE arrives and dreams are dashed.
 
If I had known that even 3Q plus nom his chances would still be less than 50/50, I might have tried to discourage him from following his dream knowing the likely outcome..

I naively assumed USNA would be largely a meritocracy..

I am now more educated than I would like...

Sometimes ignorance is bliss..
I believe the above reasons are why the Mods prefer to limit the discussion on diversity and how the SAs and Military handle it.:frown:
 
I believe the above reasons are why the Mods prefer to limit the discussion on diversity and how the SAs and Military handle it.:frown:

I think it has more to do with the fact that any topic such as this quickly devolves into arguments about "my point is more valid than yours" or personal attacks.

Personally it doesn't bother me if someone comes here and does or does not apply to the Academy. None of us do this as official members of any Academy's Admissions dept, although some of us do have those titles as well. Our participation/moderation here is done solely as an aside and not in any official capacity.
 
Let me try this one more time . . . and it will be the last time on this thread.

First, I didn't lock the thread; rather, I said I was close to doing so. I prefer to let conversations continue, provided they remain of benefit to our membership at large. When they cease to serve that purpose, it's time to end them.

Second, discussion of diversity in USNA admissions is fair game . . . to a point. At some point, however, everyone has expressed his/her opinion and all that's left is for one person to disagree with another. We are not going to resolve this issue on this forum and beating the dead horse isn't helpful to anyone.

This thread has run for days and dozens of posts. If someone has something new or worthwhile to add, that's fine. However, there is no benefit of rehashing the same arguments over and over and over -- other than to make a few people feel better.
 
http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2011/03/diversity-thursday-ii-electric-boogaloo.html

USNA email posted by Cdr Salamader:

'12 and '13,

Reply back NLT TAPS tonight if you want to serve in Striper positions of Battalion Commander and higher (Class of 2012) for next semester. For the class of 2013, if you want to be Batt Sergeant Major or any other 2/C Brigade Staff billets next semester also reply back by TAPS tonight. Time is short on this.

Include in your reply your:

Alpha
Ethnicity
OOM
CQPR
Most Recent Conduct Grade
Most Recent Aptitude Grade
Most Recent PRT Score
Desired Billet(s)

If you have questions about serving in big striper positions talk to 1/C , 1/C , and 2/C ; also, talk to myself or 1/C if you are concerned about the jump between company and higher.

It appears that using race/ethnicity as a selection criteria doesn't end with admissions.

Why would ethnicity play a part in selecting the stripers for next semester?

Wouldn't the rest of the information be enough?

:confused:
 
When I was at the Academy a couple yrs back the entire slate of Company Commanders was overturned by the Academy administration. The Midshipmen chosen as company commanders were selected by their Company Officers to be the best leaders of each company independent of the other companies. The slate was overturned because it did not effectively display the diversity of the Academy. Too many CA Males.
..Include in your reply your:

Alpha
Ethnicity
OOM
CQPR
Most Recent Conduct Grade
Most Recent Aptitude Grade
Most Recent PRT Score
Desired Billet(s)
It appears that using race/ethnicity as a selection criteria doesn't end with admissions.

Why would ethnicity play a part in selecting the stripers for next semester?
It would seem that the need for diversity continues after admissions even if the best are not chosen. What's the chances that this same attitude affects promotion chances after commissioning?
 
You got it. The ultimate objective is NOT to admit more of an elite group ...it is to graduate, commission, and promote. For the moment, this is life in USN. Still, the pendulum swings.
 
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