Future of Cadet Training

QA1517 said:
Kinda like ROTC now giving a certain percentage of cadets with majors in related branches active duty regardless of their OML standings. (at least that was the plan at the beginning of the year).
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That new system can be kind of tricky for a lot of cadets.

For those cadets to get AD that are not above the cutoff line on the OML will need to sign a 3 year ADSO and place the branch as their #1 choice. The tricky part is that they no longer release the OML so nobody knows if they made the cutoff when they sigh up for a branch. Cadets will have to make the decision to sign the ADSO based on where they "Think" they are on the list.

Take for example two cadets that have the same major, one cadet is confident they are above the cutoff, the other feels they are below, as it turns out both are correct. The first cadet lists their branch without the ADSO because they will be above the line, the second signs the ADSO. The second cadet is given active duty and takes the slot of the first cadet, the first cadet is now sent to the reserves. The slots for those below the cutoff have to come from somewhere. As long as they have the minimum 2.75 GPA, the rest of the evaluations won't really matter.

Without transparency of the OML these cadets will be left to chance on what to do. No system will be completely fair, it will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
 
So if a cadet "thinks" he/she is above the cutoff line (and actually is) and tacks on the ADSO - does said cadet still get the 3 years tacked on? Or is that only tacked on if the ADSO pushes said cadet over the cutoff line to ascertain AD?
 
Thompson said:
So if a cadet "thinks" he/she is above the cutoff line (and actually is) and tacks on the ADSO - does said cadet still get the 3 years tacked on? Or is that only tacked on if the ADSO pushes said cadet over the cutoff line to ascertain AD?
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They get the 3 year ADSO, that's the risk in the whole process.
 
If you didn't need to burn an ADSO in order to secure your slot, you are not charged the ADSO. In other words, if you ADSO for infantry, but are actually in the top 10% and are guaranteed your first choice pick, you will not be charged the ADSO.
 
Jcc123 said:
If you didn't need to burn an ADSO in order to secure your slot, you are not charged the ADSO. In other words, if you ADSO for infantry, but are actually in the top 10% and are guaranteed your first choice pick, you will not be charged the ADSO.
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Ok, so basically you only get ADSO if you need it? Am I understanding it right?
 
I think you guys mixed up what I was saying. I was not referring to the BRADSO that you use to better your chances to get the branch you want if you are on the AD OML, for that ADSO the posts above are correct.

I am talking about the ADSO cadets that feel they are below the AD cutoff and use the ADSO for the new system that allows cadets that are below the AD line to get active if they have the 2.75 GPA, sign an ADSO, and list the branch that goes with their major as their #1 choice, if a cadet opts for this program and is place in the requested branch they will incur the ADSO whether or not they would have made AD.

This system is designed to get cadets with certain majors to pick the corresponding branch and be guaranteed that branch and AD.

You can't simply ADSO for Active Duty without using this special branching program.
 
cravius said:
I don't think this is correct. We were briefed that you could.
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I would make sure you confirm that. Cadets have never been able to ADSO to push them above the AD Cutoff. The only way to do it started last year with the new branching system of Major/Branch.
 
Jcleppe said:
I would make sure you confirm that. Cadets have never been able to ADSO to push them above the AD Cutoff. The only way to do it started last year with the new branching system of Major/Branch.
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Correct.
 
From reading posts from previous years and looking up the information available, I would agree with Jcleppe. It has to be branch/major specific.

Unless they changed something recently this year, which wouldn't make sense since they are wanting fewer in active duty.
 
QA1517 said:
Unless they changed something recently this year, which wouldn't make sense since they are wanting fewer in active duty.
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I agree.

Cadet Command has a fixed number of cadets that will access to Active Duty each year. When they come up with this list there will be those cadets that are at the top of the list, and those at the bottom. Then there are those below the cutoff that can elect to use the ADSO if they have the major/branch requirements, for each cadet that is selected for this program they will move up to AD and someone will be removed from AD.

If a cadet could simply ADSO for AD without being in one of those required major/branches, they would then bump someone out of AD who had earned that slot. I truly hope that is not the case simply because they elected to add 3 years to their obligation.
 
Jcleppe said:
I agree.

Cadet Command has a fixed number of cadets that will access to Active Duty each year. When they come up with this list there will be those cadets that are at the top of the list, and those at the bottom. Then there are those below the cutoff that can elect to use the ADSO if they have the major/branch requirements, for each cadet that is selected for this program they will move up to AD and someone will be removed from AD.

If a cadet could simply ADSO for AD without being in one of those required major/branches, they would then bump someone out of AD who had earned that slot. I truly hope that is not the case simply because they elected to add 3 years to their obligation.
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I'm simply relaying what was briefed to us by our HR rep and cadre. Make what you will of it. It seems that everything is up in the air right now.
 
Sounds like there is a misunderstanding somewhere in there, either on your side or with your cadre.

JCleppe has given the most accurate info for the current situation.
 
ADSO is an acronym for Active Duty Service Obligation , it is essentially another contract you can sign exchanging more active duty time for something . With AROTC there is 3 options of which you are allowed to do two , the three are choice of branch , choice of duty station ,and choice to go to a master's degree program on the army's dime . Each one add 3 years Active Duty time to your contract , like o said you can do two options but if you do it will add on 6 years. I can't post links yet but if you Google . U.S. Army Career Satisfaction Program (CSP) you should be able to find the official Army page with more info.
 
cardinal21 said:
What is ADSO?
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Military speak almost qualifies as another language sometimes.

To add to Norwich's reply.

In terms of the discussion above the ADSO the cadets would sign would be for an additional 3 year service obligation added to their original obligation.
 
Sorry for the numerous grammar errors in my post , I'm using my smartphone and trying to type fast .
 
Phoenix17 said:
ADSO is an acronym for Active Duty Service Obligation , it is essentially another contract you can sign exchanging more active duty time for something . With AROTC there is 3 options of which you are allowed to do two , the three are choice of branch , choice of duty station ,and choice to go to a master's degree program on the army's dime . Each one add 3 years Active Duty time to your contract , like o said you can do two options but if you do it will add on 6 years. I can't post links yet but if you Google . U.S. Army Career Satisfaction Program (CSP) you should be able to find the official Army page with more info.
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The ADSO for Grad school (GRADSO) is not available now, they have suspended the program. The GRADSO ads more then 3 years to the contract, it's based on the number of semesters/years of school.

The other two options are still available.
 
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