FYI incollege scholarships no longer on AFROTC website

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  1. mom2fiv

    mom2fiv Member

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    Just an fyi I noticed today that there is no longer any information on the AFROTC website about incollege scholarships. Has anyone heard anything about this.
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  2. jakealicious4

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    Because of a recent shortage in funding they froze in-college scholarships.
    They are still giving out scholarships to high school applicatnts and they may start back doing in-college scholarships in the future, but for now they are not being done.
     
  3. Kado

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    I was told by my Det CC that due to funding no scholarships will be given out this year. Since there are no in college scholarships this year they expect to be fully funded next year to give out those scholarships.
     
  4. aglages

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    I would be very suspicious of whether your Det CC knows anything about what will happen next year. Do you think s/he knew there were not going to be any in-college scholarships this year before they started recruiting engineering, nursing and foreign language majors with the "hope" of a potential scholarship? Hopefully the AF will have sufficent funding next year for in-college scholarships but I wouldn't get too excited yet.
     
  5. Eagle 1

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    We were told pretty much the first day in that ICSP was a no-go for this year, but about a month ago we got word that it will come back next spring.

    They don't know yet if they will be selected and activated in the spring (and pay for that semester) or just selected then, with activation in the fall.
     
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    Is the ICSP freeze just for AFROTC? It looks like AROTC still has it's ICSP page running.
     
  7. aglages

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    I'm trying to understand what "they" are predicting. The next budget year (2011/2012) for the Air Force begins (I believe) at the end of October 2011. Congress hasn't even passed a budget for this period of time yet so I doubt the AF knows for sure how much/little money they will have for AFROTC for 2011/2012. But you are being told now what is actually going to happen in the following budget year (2012/2013)? I can't imagine how whoever "they" is can have this much insight.
     
  8. Pima

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    AF budget runs Oct 1 to Sept 30th. That is why as a scholarship student you won't see the school get paid until Oct. It comes out of that FY. The scholarship was awarded for this yr, but comes out of next yrs budget.

    Our DS is in AFROTC as a POC and this is a big topic in the det. According to him, there will be no IS next yr. Now, it may open up next Jan (2012) for Fall 2012, but there is no expectation that for FY 11-12 that any IS scholarships will be offered.

    He even went as far to state that as bad as it was for LY SFT, this yr is worse. They had 2200 go as C2Cs, and this yr for the class of 13 (C2Cs) they expect 1800, out of approx. 5000.

    Additionally, you need to look from an entire perspective regarding how the system works. The reason for this cut is to cut the class of 13. That means they already have too many in the pipeline. Now add this onto the fact that the AFA is cutting class size of 15 and 16. You can put two and two together to see that they are going through a force shape re-structuring for yr groups of 12-16.

    If that wasn't enough proof, AF canceled an OCS board last summer and is doing a RIF for commission yr groups that have yet to finish their "owed back" commitment.

    The beauty and the flaw of the AFROTC system is they can plot out manning in advance at a lower cost than the AFA. However, the AF can spin up OCS and backfill faster than ROTC or the AFA if the numbers are short. That leaves ROTC in the unenviable position of being hit from both sides of the fence.
     
  9. aglages

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    Thanks for the correction....I knew it was sometime in October.
    In your opinion: How is it possible, that at the Detachment level, that an officer can predict what will be available for in-college scholarships NOT in the next budget year, but in the one AFTER that?
     
  10. Pima

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    They can't, they are speculating.

    However, I would agree with the det. Be prepared to read this a couple of times because it can be confusing.

    If they re-open IS for Fall 12, that would be FY 12-13. The class yr would be for 15 and 16, assuming 3 yr or 4 yr (engineering). Now look at what is currently going on.

    Class of 12 and 13 took hits because they reduced SFT drastically. 14 and 15 have had less scholarships offered. 15 AFA will have less apptmts, and OCS was canceled until this past Jan. That means next yr at this time if they lose too many they will need to re-fill the pipeline with 15 and 16. Remember you can't come into the AFA as a C3C. Plus, OCS is going to put them in the pipeline now, not 3 yrs from now. Thus, if you need to get back on target for officers you would re-open the pipeline.

    Now, let's be honest, the fact is due to this economy even if they re-open it for FY 12-13 (which in essence would be the budget 2 yrs from today), nobody knows if it would 5 or 500 scholarships.

    Det commanders are traditionally O6's, thus, I would trust them. Impo I would not believe what the flight commander says because they are usually O3, maybe O4. The FCCs probably have never experienced force shape re-structuring. The O6 was around for the infamous 92/93 RIF. They get it. They can see that right now the classes in the cross hairs are 12/13 and 14/15 is on the cusp for ROTC. The engineer for IS in FY12-13 could be 16. By that time they could see that the AF will be back on track.

    I know that was confusing, but like I said re-read it, and once you start to understand manpower needs are tied to commissioning yr groups you can understand why they can say next yr they will open it again. Also, remember they can re-open it and offer 1 scholarship, but they still offered that 1 scholarship...sim. to the VP apptmt to an SA. 1 of those candidates out of 10's of thousands will get that apptmt.
     

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