Girlfriend in academy, considering moving out

Uh...upper 3 have a lot of weekends off. Firsties especially have plenty of time off with the exception of silver Saturdays.

Many like to reply like they went to the school, always fun to read lol. I do agree though, freshmen year it was difficult to make a relationship work with a girl who lived across the tzo, let alone off base. Possible though.
 
I did read the entire thread, just clarifying cga82s post that seniors wouldn't have that privilege.
 
BlahuKahuna - perfect then! Your insights are always helpful. :)

CandCandMateus - well, that was kind of a nasty comment. Not everyone here claims to have gone to USAFA. I personally get insight from my spouse and experiences relayed to me by my DD. Never claimed to be a grad.
 
I don't really perceive his comment as "nasty" at all. It is honest. You have to understand that it is frustrating for cadets who are on here to see incorrect info being distributed by parents who are disgruntled when they find they are wrong. And understand that this happens regularly, and is apart of the reason that I disappear on here from time to time. I'm going to be real here regardless of the flack I may catch because I think it needs to be said: there is a lack of humility lately that could stand to be corrected, and this post is an example. The OP asked a valid question as someone with little knowledge of the subject, hasn't replied since, and continues to be badgered by posters who have plenty of hindsight but not necessarily the empathy that should be afforded in this situation on SAF. I know how it feels to have that hope for a relationship and be afraid of change- and I don't blame him. It's a normal feeling, and he's just wishing for the best. I find it unfortunate that we can't show some more kindness. Hopefully we can take a step back and realize that this is a forum for everyone- and helping someone doesn't require anything but kind, honest, and accurate advice. And if you are not here to help others with accurate information, it may be time to reevaluate your participation in SAF. This of course isn't directed at anyone in particular, but simply one cadet's way of thinking. Sorry to derail the thread.
 
Just a different perspective on this. I didn't attend USAFA, but did attend USNA. I saw two relationships succeed with these types of moves and probably around 10 that didn't. There were a couple of things that caught my attention of those who did succeed. Both of their significant others were attending college in the Annapolis/DC area. So they developed lives outside their SO. Time is extremely limited the first year, and their SO took advantage of that to develop their own peer group and friends. Then when their Mid had time off they spent time with both of each other's peer groups. They made a very concerted effort to ensure neither person was isolated by developing their own relationships with peers, balancing both sets of friends and developing their own identity. I think this was key to their success and an extremely difficult balance. Both marriages are still going strong to this day.

Heck my room mate firstie year at USNA dated another Mid who was 2 years ahead of her. She totally isolated herself and developed no relationships with her classmates because she spent all her weekends, holidays and free time with her boyfriend. Once he finally PCS'd to California she was truly very lonely and isolated. I saw this happen with many Mid relationships to be honest. So people can isolate themselves even though we all live in the same dorms!

You are an adult and this is a huge adult decision. Bottom line is only you know the strength of your relationship and what is best for you. Not sure your relationship with your parents, pastor, old coach, etc. But find someone to talk this out with. Sometimes it just helps to talk out loud and work through these kinds of things. Focus on facts and reason, not emotion. What will you do for school? Work? What happens if this doesn't work? I am assuming you worked just as hard as your girlfriend in high school and deserve to move forward with your future. Its admirable you are thinking about her, but this is a great time in your life to focus on your future, growth, development too.
 
I don't really perceive his comment as "nasty" at all. It is honest. You have to understand that it is frustrating for cadets who are on here to see incorrect info being distributed by parents who are disgruntled when they find they are wrong. And understand that this happens regularly, and is apart of the reason that I disappear on here from time to time. I'm going to be real here regardless of the flack I may catch because I think it needs to be said: there is a lack of humility lately that could stand to be corrected, and this post is an example. The OP asked a valid question as someone with little knowledge of the subject, hasn't replied since, and continues to be badgered by posters who have plenty of hindsight but not necessarily the empathy that should be afforded in this situation on SAF. I know how it feels to have that hope for a relationship and be afraid of change- and I don't blame him. It's a normal feeling, and he's just wishing for the best. I find it unfortunate that we can't show some more kindness. Hopefully we can take a step back and realize that this is a forum for everyone- and helping someone doesn't require anything but kind, honest, and accurate advice. And if you are not here to help others with accurate information, it may be time to reevaluate your participation in SAF. This of course isn't directed at anyone in particular, but simply one cadet's way of thinking. Sorry to derail the thread.

No, it was an insensitive response. Even my husband, as grad, thought so. I didn't take that comment as directed at me, personally, though. I just thought it was uncalled for. The whole "you wouldn't understand" gets old. In fact, most of the posters on this thread actually do understand. I can also assure you that many of the posts on this particular subject come from people who have personally experienced long-distance relationships, heartbreak and being away from significant others for extended periods of time. This is not unique to the USAFA experience. People are not trying to be insensitive, they are trying, maybe even desperately, to explain what could happen. You and other cadets are very well aware of how a person changes that first year. Do you believe its a good idea for him to move to CO?

To address your other comments: I can only speak for myself - all the information I post comes from my DD or my husband, unless its something I experienced growing up on Army posts. If I post something that I'm not sure about, then I request confirmation from current cadets, of which you yourself have responded. Do I feel personally attacked? Obviously I do. If that was not your intent and your comments were more general, then forgive my confusion.

As for yours and other cadet's frustration. Why? If you see incorrect information, then by all means correct it. If you don't, then that bad information is promulgated. That would just increase yours and other cadets frustrations! Patience and learning how to communicate important information is an invaluable skill. These forums would be a great place to practice that.

Personally, if I've posted something that I might have misunderstood/misstated, then I fully expect someone to correct it. Actually, I have been corrected and promptly thanked the person. Sure, it's embarrassing when I discover that I've misunderstood something, but no one is always right (no matter how much I'd like to be). If another poster gets disgruntled by being corrected, well then that's their problem, isn't it?
 
I took Haleym's post as trying to shed light on a more general issue with the forums and it has kept me away from time to time as well. It is not that information is inaccurate, but I think that many new members seeking advice feel admonished for simply asking their questions.

As I am further separated from the admissions process and freshman year I find my utility as a member of the forum dwindling. Much of my knowledge is unfortunately now misinformation.

That being said I would not recommend moving out to CO Springs for many of the reasons already stated in this thread. Good luck, I wish you and your girlfriend the best.
 
Just me, but I think that there are 2 sides to this issue. Candidates are seeing it as they know what it is like because they are there right now. This is very true. I am sure that hornetguy, class of 10 would say a lot has changed at USAFA since 2006. However, do you know what never has changed? Relationships. and this is something parents do have experience at a much higher level due to their age.

I have been with Bullet since I was 18, he was 19. He will say we have been together since I was 19, he was 20. The reason why is because after 3 months of dating long distance, he felt he needed to be like his pals, enjoying his own life experiences.

Yes, eventually we found our way back together, and have been happily married for 27 years this year. We are rare. Go look around at your own family, aunts/uncles, parents friends. Ask them how many they know that made it as couple for decades?

I am not trying to be Janie Raincloud. Nor are these posters that are parents. They are only trying to say as politely as we can, that this is the time to fly on your own wings. Make your memories too

MPO, if you can't make this easy part, than how do you make it as a couple during the hard parts...1 year non-accompanied tour to Korea? How about 4 years from now and she gets an assignment to Del Rio for UPT, while now you have a great job in CoS? Do you pack up and go to Del Rio aka Hell Rio, where there is nothing outside that base? If you do, and than she gets a 35, training at Luke, but will be stationed at Hill, do you quit your job again, follow to Luke for 6 months, or do you jump and buy a home in Utah and wait there for 6-9 months until they show up?

For us parents, we are looking at it from a different perspective than you. We are being parents, that in some way, shape or form have experienced what is waiting for the couple down the road.
~ Do you agree or disagree that you emotionally grew from 13-18? Your friendships, goals changed? What makes you think that it won't change just as much from 18-23?

Sure, maybe some parental posters can be misinformed about passes, but I don't think that was their intention when posting. Their intention impo was always that they are following her with an unrealistic view of life. That if they can't make it until Thanksgiving to see her than they need to re-evaluate everything. Let's say he got accepted to MIT and she didn't (she got accepted to Stanford). Would she be willing to give up her Stanford education for him? If the answer is no, than would your post change at all? Would you advise them to try long distance 1st? If that answer is yes, than you just became one of us parents.

The OP has disappeared, and it maybe that us old folks reiterated what his own folks were saying when he informed them of his intention of moving to a new city just for her. Maybe they sat him down and said okay, go, but before you do, let's talk finances. You know that silly little point of how much it will now cost on your own to pay rent,car, car insurance, health insurance, cell phone, utilities, and food....you know all those little bills that Mom and Dad do for you while we allow you to keep that PT job paycheck from Target as your personal spending money.

Here is a question for the cadets. Would you want your HS SO moving to CoS? Why or why not? Parents have stated already why not. Now, let's assume the OP does move, and somehow they see each other every weekend for a day, her grades drop and she now at Thanksgiving decides she wants to leave. He is locked into a rental for 8 more months, has a job, does he pull up stakes again, or will she now stay in CoS?
~ That is something, at least for me, I was thinking about when I posted. Is this a 1 way or 2 way street? Weekend passes and seeing each other often on my top 5 list was number 6.

Finally, I don't believe any parent was being rude or harsh. The fact is impo if you are adult enough to move away from home to follow her, set up your own home, than you entered the real world. Unless they are a trust fund baby they will be working a job. Employers make profs look like kindergarten teachers when you screw up your job. Fail a test or essay, and they hand it back to you with a big red letter F on it, and nothing more. Fail at work and being berated in front of peers is not uncommon, nor is a pink slip. Gossip in a corporate work place environment regarding the screw ups is just as common as the sexual proclivity of certain people in HS.

Just saying that if the OP disappeared because anything anyone here said, says to me they are not ready from a maturity standpoint to join the full time employment world. In essence, him moving would place him in that world, and by not holding back would actually hurt him more than anything else.

Us old posters will remember a song that we listened to as teenagers with a chorus of:
You've gotta be cruel to be kind, in the right measure
Cruel to be kind, it's a very good sign

Flame on.
~ Yes, I know many of you will now hate me because you will be singing that one hit wonder. None of you can disagree though about how that it does have a memorable chorus.
 
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OBTW,

Like Usafa83gradwife, I have been corrected many times. I have never taken any offense. I usually ask follow up questions too.

Correct me, because that is what we are here for...giving the best information that is available to help, guide and support every poster, regardless where they are on in this path.

Just like it will be for all of you when you become an Officer. There will be times that you will need the help, guidance and support. There will be times that you can give it. There will be times that it will be both.

If you can't take it, and accept the fact that it was wrong, instead of saluting sharply than it might be time to leave.
 
I took Haleym's post as trying to shed light on a more general issue with the forums and it has kept me away from time to time as well. It is not that information is inaccurate, but I think that many new members seeking advice feel admonished for simply asking their questions.
Ah, I see. I guess I can agree with that.

As I am further separated from the admissions process and freshman year I find my utility as a member of the forum dwindling. Much of my knowledge is unfortunately now misinformation.
That's really too bad. You experienced a unique journey and that knowledge can be invaluable to those seeking this path. Yes, the only thing constant in the AF is change.

But still, grads are an invaluable source of information. You know what its like. You experienced it personally. Those little details about passes and other things that are dependent upon the whims of the Sup, the WC, etc -- those things will always change. But a lot stays constant. That's what you have to offer. Don't discount that experience.
 
Haley, should any of us, have said to our OP: "Boy howdy! What a smashing notion you've got there! and one that's never been considered before by two young people in love?"

OK, some of us give incorrect information - I have been guilty of that, and probably worse, on many occasions and to that offense I plead: mea culpa. For the record, parents, and even cadets and candidates, have bandied about information that wasn't quite exact. And opinions! slap your grandma! No lack of those here either. Our OP asked us if his GF would be permitted enough weekends off to warrant his possible move to Colorado. Well, that may have been the question, but there was so much behind it none of us with any experience could possibly let that go with just a "she might" for our response. For parents, we see a slim chance of a continuing relationship into the second or third year (not impossible, just not likely), much unhappiness, and great financial hardship looming. Shall we not speak to these issues?

Is there any parent on this forum who has NOT suffered through months of long-distance relationship, either pre-marriage/pre-children or while your spouse was deployed or just sent a long way for a long time as part of civilian employment? I did not think anyone was unsympathetic to your OP's plight, but we strongly cautioned against an action that seemed rash, immature even, and fraught with pitfalls.

AFrpaso, HaleyM and other cadets, former cadets, priors, candidates, and yes, parents: please do not leave SAF because you are disgruntled or because you feel there is wrong/incorrect info being bandied about. Correct people where you are able (kindly, of course), apologize when you are wrong, add your opinion, but know that even a grad whose son or daughter is a current cadet may lack up to date information (especially regarding admissions), etc. Also, realize that especially for parents who have been through the "process of admissions" with one or more children, their experience can be very valuable to someone who is looking for support, for a kind word, for a reality check, for a suggestion. Don't be quite so quick to dismiss the experience of those who have been down this road. Many lurkers here are seeking information on nominations, appointments, ROTC information, how-to, where-to, whether-to.

I almost added "whipper-snapper."
 
A friend just retired from the USN after 30 yrs (and 4 at USNA). He's still married to his h.s. sweetheart. So, such relationships definitely can survive a SA and thrive!

That said, many h.s. relationships don't survive one person being at a SA, just like (as stated above), many don't survive time at a civilian college. The best way for the two of you to sort out whether this is right for the long-term is for each of you to pursue your own dreams. That will make each of you successful in your own right and that is likely to set you up for the best future relationship possible, be it with each other or with someone else. See what happens at the end of summer, at winter break, etc. I suspect that, within a year, you will know whether you are in it for the long haul or not.
 
I think this thread, like many before, has now gone off track. It is now about another aspect that is also important.

How some may feel posters are being harsh, which can make posters/lurkers run for the hills is now a topic.

Unfortunately, I believe that is true regarding how some new posters/lurkers feel. Yet, I have not seen anything posted that is not what I would call life after HS graduation. It is also an issue due to how social media forums like this work. You cannot read intonation.

I have read several times from posters that is not baseops.net. Thankfully, it isn't, but still your Johnny Joe/Janie Sue (parent poster) or Jonny/Janie (candidate) will be joining that world in a few very short months. If you don't get that tough skin now, I believe there is a whole new world of pain awaiting you come July after HS graduation.

This site gives you a tsp of that pain regarding their opinions as far as I am concerned. The mods do an excellent job of keeping it to a respectable level.

Sure, many parents have not lived this life. They live by hearsay from their own children. However, discounting them, you are also impo leaving many out in the wind. The parents. It basically becomes a version of a 22 and under club, with most of the posters being 18 going through the process at the same time. AKA the blind leading the blind. Haley, AFrpaso, CadCandMateus...where would you all have been without many of us that directed you when you were 17/18 in HS applying if parents weren't here.
~ CC aka Mike was not an ALO when he joined. I think he became one when his DS was a C1C. Had he left as soon as I Day rolled around, you would have lost 4 years of invaluable advice, because he was just a parent now living via hearsay of his DS.

You have to understand that it is frustrating for cadets who are on here to see incorrect info being distributed by parents who are disgruntled when they find they are wrong. And understand that this happens regularly, and is apart of the reason that I disappear on here from time to time. I'm going to be real here regardless of the flack I may catch because I think it needs to be said: there is a lack of humility lately that could stand to be corrected, and this post is an example

Now that reads as PARENTS only. I can count many candidates that act this way too. However, I believe haleym was not targeting just parents, but said this because it really is only parents responding here.
~ To me the bigger picture that she was trying to state was that she felt the tone was changing, and not for the better,
~~ Somebody else may have read it as PARENTS only. Indeed, that is how USAFA83 1st read it before your post.

It appears you too AFrpaso saw it the same way as I did, but what about those other parents lurking? Just saying it works both ways, and even a post like haleym's could be taken in a negative light. Only by understanding that sometimes you need to have a thicker skin and posters meant something in kindness, but it was misconstrued by the reader can we all understand that everyone has an importance on this site, be it retiree, AD, parent, cadet or candidate.

I agree with USAFA83GradWife. AFrpaso you are an invaluable asset that many need. I don't know what state you are from, but come nomination time, you know in sight. You were a prepster, not many can answer those questions. Yes, things change, but a lot stays the same for a very long time. Same with haleym and CadcandMateus. You are all insanely invaluable.

Finally, look at this like my MIL would say. You have 5 fingers. You love and need all 5 of them, but they all are different. Think about it. tie down your pinky or ring finger for the day. Tell me if you could operate opening cans, typing on the net, changing your clothes at the same level without one of those fingers as easily if you had the ability to use all 5.
 
With due respect to all, let's try to keep this thread on topic, which is whether the OP should consider moving to Colorado to be with his GF who is at USAFA.

If you want to discuss tone of posts or the extent to which parents/grads/others should opine on various subjects, please either take that to another forum (Off-Topic is one). If you have general concerns about the conduct of a forum or the site, please contact one of the Mods.

Thank you.

Your Friendly Mod
 
Just a quick question. Why did everyone assume the original poster was 18 and just out of High School?

No matter if your girlfriend is a prior enlisted, preppie, fresh out of HS our attended college for a couple of years before being accepted, her doolie year will be as restrictive as any other doolie cadet. Last minute restrictions can and do happen. Even if you move out there, you may not be able to see her until Thanksgiving due to her academics, commitments, military training, restrictions, etc. etc. etc..
 
I have a question for the OP.

There's been a assumption that you graduated HS with your girlfriend. Maybe that's an incorrect assumption.
  • Are you considering attending a university in CO? UCCS? University of Denver? Colorado Tech? Those are a few close to USAFA.
  • Are you already attending a university? If so, you need to look at how to transfer credits.
  • Are you older than your girlfriend, perhaps, and already established so that a move to CO isn't a big deal (no convincing parents, etc.)?
  • Do you already have a job in CO, a place to live, etc?
  • If you are currently working, do you have enough saved to make a move and live comfortably until you find a new job?
  • How about snow tires? ;)

I assume that you aren't planning to just pack some bags and go. Perhaps you are considering a move in a few months after some planning? If that's the case, I would have you consider the weather and the problems that may cause. A winter move in CO can be tricky. Could be perfect weather, too. It *is* CO, after all.

EDIT: Stop reading my mind MommaBomba! Haha!
 
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Of course I do not mean for you to feel personally attacked, gradwife- that's why I tried to avoid such a thing by saying it's not directed at anyone in particular but instead towards USAFA forum members in general. I would just like to see more kindness and understanding being extended to others as it should be in such a community, and I want non-cadets to know that unfortunately, Cad's perspective is how we feel sometimes. Especially when a parent tries to argue with us. I don't come on here to argue with anyone, and as you can probably imagine, it is frustrating. Particularly when someone who is/was not a cadet wants to tell you about what cadet life is like. So while you see his comment as insensitive, I really just think it is a matter of perspective. I do not understand yours and you do not understand mind. We all bring something to the table, but I will be the first to say my area of expertise is limited. That's why I only stick to threads where I feel I can really offer something to other posters.
Moving on to the point, I really think that advising someone on the relationship itself (as opposed to just the moving out for a relationship) is quite fruitless. I came into USAFA in a relationship as well and had MANY people wiser than I tell me all about the grim outlook it had. I never found it useful, and after a long relationship with a person I cared about ended, I didn't look back and think about all these things and feel comforted or think that I should've listened. The truth of the matter is that there are just some lessons you have to learn on your own. Certainly there is no better way to learn, unfortunately for us. But looking back now, I just wish others had shown me more empathy and support when I was going through it. So while you can argue that "you need tough skin in the military", it's not an excuse for being abrasive or even being unkind. We're all on the same side, let's keep it that way. OP, if you would like to talk to me about my personal experience and advice, feel free to message me. Otherwise, best of luck to you and your girlfriend.
 
Well, I also and I'm sure most others hope the OP comes back. But, the amount of free time mentioned really had taken me back. Ya, I'm an old crusty man but I would think it wise to get the straight scope out to the OP. I am way-way-way out of date on how protocol happens nowadays and know little about AFA yet alone how things happen now at CGA. It would be far better for the OP to get told correctly here then to get out @ AFA and be surprised. Heck, I was believing that things might be true that Cadets at AFA get every other weekend off...
 
Of course I do not mean for you to feel personally attacked, gradwife- that's why I tried to avoid such a thing by saying it's not directed at anyone in particular but instead towards USAFA forum members in general. I would just like to see more kindness and understanding being extended to others as it should be in such a community, and I want non-cadets to know that unfortunately, Cad's perspective is how we feel sometimes. Especially when a parent tries to argue with us. I don't come on here to argue with anyone, and as you can probably imagine, it is frustrating. Particularly when someone who is/was not a cadet wants to tell you about what cadet life is like. So while you see his comment as insensitive, I really just think it is a matter of perspective. I do not understand yours and you do not understand mind. We all bring something to the table, but I will be the first to say my area of expertise is limited. That's why I only stick to threads where I feel I can really offer something to other posters.
Moving on to the point, I really think that advising someone on the relationship itself (as opposed to just the moving out for a relationship) is quite fruitless. I came into USAFA in a relationship as well and had MANY people wiser than I tell me all about the grim outlook it had. I never found it useful, and after a long relationship with a person I cared about ended, I didn't look back and think about all these things and feel comforted or think that I should've listened. The truth of the matter is that there are just some lessons you have to learn on your own. Certainly there is no better way to learn, unfortunately for us. But looking back now, I just wish others had shown me more empathy and support when I was going through it. So while you can argue that "you need tough skin in the military", it's not an excuse for being abrasive or even being unkind. We're all on the same side, let's keep it that way. OP, if you would like to talk to me about my personal experience and advice, feel free to message me. Otherwise, best of luck to you and your girlfriend.
Thanks for clarifying Haleym! Makes me happy that the comments weren't directed at me personally. I really do try very hard to be sensitive to others' feelings and perspectives. I actually do understand your perspective about being argued with when you're right there dealing with whatever the argument is about. (Did that even make sense?) Anyway, been there! Unfortunately, it happens in all walks of life. I think it has to do more with personal experience. People experience the same event/activity/situation differently and may come away with diametrically opposed thoughts about it. That's why I appreciate my DH so much -- keeps me grounded and helps me to see it from the other side. Of course, I offer a perspective that he doesn't have as an "Army brat" of a Vietnam Vet. Someday I may tell that story.

I agree with you about OP. No one can tell you how to feel. He's in love with his girlfriend and that's a wonderful thing. I actually had that long distance relationship & it worked out! (That's another story - ha!) It can happen and its a blessing when it does. I truly hope it works out for OP. If it doesn't, then I hope the comments he's received here will at least prepare him for that possibility. I'm rooting for him, though I still think moving before the end of the semester is too soon. ;)
 
Well, I also and I'm sure most others hope the OP comes back. But, the amount of free time mentioned really had taken me back. Ya, I'm an old crusty man but I would think it wise to get the straight scope out to the OP. I am way-way-way out of date on how protocol happens nowadays and know little about AFA yet alone how things happen now at CGA. It would be far better for the OP to get told correctly here then to get out @ AFA and be surprised. Heck, I was believing that things might be true that Cadets at AFA get every other weekend off...
You crack me up!
 
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