Good luck Firsties with Service Selection/Appt.

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  1. dunninla

    dunninla Member

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    Saw on another Board that this might be today... or at least in the next day or two for the 1/C Mids.

    I hope for most it really is selection and not "appointment". :)

    Good luck everyone.
     
  2. 2012mom?

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    Today was the day for those who didn't already know. Most ended up with their first choice.
     
  3. AF6872

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    After graduation and selection. After TBS still need MOS. Still a long wait. Hope for first choice.
     
  4. MIDNDAD

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    Congratulations to the Firsties and hope you got your first choice.

    Waiting on TBS - MOS - Base Assignment is harder on the parents than sevice selection was a year ago.

    We are very lucky - MOS - Combat Logistics and Camp Pendelton in June, will put her on the West Coast with us for the first time in 5 years.

    AF 6872 - Wish you the best on her MOS. You shoud hear this week????
     
  5. greeneagle5

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    My Mid got his 1st choice..... NAVAL Aviation (Pilot)....WOOHOO :yllol::beer1::groupwave::tomcat::thumb:

    GO NAVY
     
  6. dunninla

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    Is TBS - MOS just for Marine Officers? If so, what is the first stop after graduation for Navy Officers?
     
  7. NavyHoops

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    The Basic School is the first stop for Marine Corps Officers. It is 6 months long and essentially teaches you to be a basic rifle platoon commander (every Marines is a rifleman). Once you graduate TBS, you go to MOS school and then the fleet. For those with ground contracts, at the 4-5 month mark you receive your MOS. Aviation contracts already know they are headed to flight school and will receive their respective platforms during that pipeline (which can take years). For newly commissioned Navy Ensigns this varies upon Service Selection. Pilots/NFOs go off to flight school. I know now they do some sort of pre-flight training (not sure what it is called, but I believe it is sort of like initial civilian flight training to become familiar with flying and see your appititude for it) before they head to P-Cola. The Navy SWOs actually report directly to their ships now (I believe, unless they changed it back). They used to attend SWOS first, but I believe that has changed and they go to a shorter SWOS after they have been on their ship and received some experience. SEALs head off to BUDS and Spec Ops guys go to dive school. Supply and Intel go to their repsective schools then head to the fleet. I think that covers the majority of communities. If in fact they still do send SWOS to the fleet before SWOS, technically a newly commissioned Ensign can be in the fleet 30 days post graduation.
     
  8. usnabgo08

    usnabgo08 USNA 2008/BGO

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    Not technically for me, it was reality. I took my basket leave and two weeks later I was in the Arabian Gulf on my ship, completing the remaining 4 months of deployment. The "Baby SWOS" is a 4 week course which is suppose to introduce new ENS (non LDO types) to shipboard life. Going to Baby SWOS is moot if you have been on your ship for over 2 months, at that point nothing new is learned.

    So yes, I have had the opportunity of drinking from the fire hose. Being modest, I believe that SWOs are better prepared and have a better sense of the operational Navy after their first tour (27 months) than any other Naval service selection, mostly because they have to "figure it out" on their own. Essentially, any task can be handed to a SWO and they will know how to complete it (whether themselves or knowing their resources).

    -SWOs earn their warfare pin and are Officer of the Deck qualified within their first 18 months (meaning that a twenty something year old ENS has earned their Commanding Officer's trust to oversee and operate the ship on their behalf -- sometimes in waters off of adversaries).

    So while the lifestyle might be challenging, it is awesome to know when YOU are in charge and responsible/accountable to the ship's Captain; a responsibility that one's classmates in other service selections won't have as early.

    My congrats to all 1/C regardless of service selection....but just wanted the negative connotation of the SWO community to not be so negative.
     
  9. Memphis9489

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    To say that "most ended up with their first choice" is not news. That happens EVERY year.

    The academy never publicly advertises what percentage of the class got their 1st choice. Instead, they very craftily lump the 1st and 2nd choices together and say, "95% got either their 1st or 2nd choice."

    As it turned out, about 20% got their 2nd choice or lower. That's 1 in ever 5. I would say that's fairly significant.

    That probably represents an improvement over some recent years where closer to 25% were denied their 1st choice.

    Getting your 2nd choice isn't like coming in 2nd place in a race. Coming in 2nd in a race, by any standard, is an outstanding performance (unless there were only two participants.)

    But getting your 2nd choice for service selection can represent a stark difference for many.

    Can you imagine wanting to go Marine Air [1st choice] and end up getting SWO (Surface Warfare Officer) [2nd choice]? Instead of being a Marine and possibly piloting a Super Hornet, the graduate could end up on the deck of a Minesweeper trying to get his OOD (Officer Of the Deck) qualification.

    Does that sound like coming in 2nd place? :smile:
     
  10. Whistle Pig

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    Perspective. While Memphis puts an accurate face on the "what if," it might be valuable to impose the picture he paints on the history of 3+ years of experience. In reality, there is, even in the Navy, very little random behavior. Things and assignments happen for a reason and purpose, much of which is not completely oblivious to even lowly Midshipmen. By the time they become Firsties, they are beginning to grasp how their game is played. And how score is kept.

    If that wanna be Marine Air dreamer ends up as a SWO, in most cases, he/she will have earned that privilege. And it will have been earned over a period of years. The inverse will NEVER happen, i.e. a wanna be SWO ends up an air jockey in USMC or even the Navy. Similarly, a nuke hopeful might well end up a SWO. I've never heard of a SWO wannabe ending up in nuke school.

    Again, while there are disappointments ... wannabe pilots, nukes, Marines end up elsewhere, in all likelihood they recognized and in many instances created or at least nurtured their own outcomes.

    For the most part, and not completely, these assignments are self-made and in any case, never random. The Navy and Corps have a rhyme and reason nearly always, even if we don't always "get it" and our Mids don't always share "it." In conclusion, when most #1 choices are realized in #2 or otherwise, I'd bet my sox that #1 was more wishful hoping than likely confirmation of one's past 3 years and mental and medical preparation. Now, in cases of EOD, SEALs, subs ... well, that may be for a different thread.And included in that discussion would need to be the reality that target "priority" grouping does not end as Mids approach graduation. Rather there is need, or at least desire to distribute these sub-populations throughout the professional communities. And that relates to this process quite directly.
     
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  11. Hurricane12

    Hurricane12 USNA 2012

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    Actually, this happened several times over this year.

    The point is, it's very easy to say "Well, they didn't try hard enough to get their top choice." It's much harder when it's happening to your friends and people who you know busted their *** for three plus years to get something. They turned a lot of people away for Navy Pilot and Marine Corps (in particular) this year, including good people who would have gotten it in years past.

    Obviously, getting to serve as an officer in the Navy or Marine Corps is a privilege in and of itself, but it's tough to swallow when you've got your heart set on something and end up with the complete opposite thing.
     
  12. Luigi59

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    So if they don't get flight school right out of the academy and instead go to a surface ship, are they ineligible to apply again after their first tour?

    At USCGA, there are limited flight school billets, but graduates (LTJG's by then) are able to re-apply, and can be selected after serving 2 years on a cutter. In some ways, this may make them a better flight officer, having experienced life on a cutter and understanding the difficulties and challenges of those they are working with on the surface.
     
  13. Hurricane12

    Hurricane12 USNA 2012

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    It depends on a lot of factors (and is virtually imposible for a SWO to transfer to the Marine Corps). The most common thing people try to do is go SWO and then try to lateral transfer to SEALs if they don't get it straight out of the Academy, but it's a total crapshoot.

    You have to perform very well at being a SWO, but not so well that your CO won't let you go, maintain physical fitness (or get ASTB scores for going air), and put in a transfer packet. They only have a few spots each year, and it's not just that the Air community accepts you, SWO has to let you go. I know some guys for '09 who did this for SEALs/EOD, but it's getting increasingly harder apparently because of manning issues in SWO.

    So, bottom line is that it's fairly difficult. No guarantees.
     
  14. usnabgo08

    usnabgo08 USNA 2008/BGO

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    As Hurricane has mentioned, it is EXTREMELY HARD to lateral transfer into another URL community. Lateral transferring to a RL/SC designator is a little easier, but as Hurricane mentioned, you have to be in the "middle of the pack;" SWOs don't want to give the smartest ones up, but also don't want to reward those that don't perform. Inter-service transfer of officers requires Service Secretary Approval (DODINST 1300.04). Below are the last two board results for URL (notice none for ANY aviation and a grand total of 1 SWO):

    SUBJ/JUNE 2011 TRANSFER LATERAL REDESIGNATION SELECTION BOARD RESULTS//

    UNRESTRICTED LINE OFFICER – SURFACE WARFARE (TRAINING) - 1160
    NAME DESIG NAME DESIG
    MARTIN ROBERT W 6180

    UNRESTRICTED LINE OFFICER – SPECIAL WARFARE (TRAINING) - 1180
    BURNS JOSEPH P 6150 CHENEY CARRICK B 6150
    MORAN MICHAEL A 6150

    UNRESTRICTED LINE OFFICER – EXPLOSIVE ORDNANCE DISPOSAL
    (TRAINING) - 1190
    FOGEL PAUL M 6492 IRWIN MATTHEW J 1110

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    SUBJ/NOVEMBER 2010 TRANSFER LATERAL REDESIGNATION SELECTION BOARD RESULTS//

    UNRESTRICTED LINE OFFICER - SPECIAL WARFARE (TRAINING) - 1180
    NAME DESIG NAME DESIG
    HORA JAMES H 6150 LOONEY WILLIAM P 3100
    PERRY TODD S 6150 SKALSKI ERIC J 6150
    THOMPSON JOSHUA D 5100

    UNRESTRICTED LINE OFFICER - EXPLOSIVE ORDNANCE DISPOSAL (TRAINING) - 1190
    HERION OLIVER R 6480 SNIDER DEVIN T 1110
     
  15. Luigi59

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    Wow, never realized that it's a "here's your service selection/assignment forever" type of night.

    Compare your msg above to this USCG flight school solicitation from Nov 11 - any active duty Ensigns or LTJGs may apply for flgiht school.

     
  16. Craig

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    Intel

    Can you comment on Intel? I believe the number was 6 this year. If I recall, the number was less in previous years. This is an area my daughter has interest in. Will the Mids going Intel have to do an operational tour (like SWO) or will they go direct? In the past, it seems you had to do time elsewhere before Intel.
     
  17. usnabgo08

    usnabgo08 USNA 2008/BGO

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    Luigi,

    It practically is choose your assignment forever....there might be a few who lateral transfer.

    Craig,

    USNA allows for a direct accession Intel (normally a physical DQ) or through SWO (normally after 1-2 DIVO tours). I don't know 2011 or 2012's numbers, but 5 MIDN accessed directly into Intel and another 2 went SWO first (note: these officers DO NOT go through a lateral transfer board, they automatically re-designate) -- 7 total from 2010.

    9 SWOs became Intel officers during this past June's lateral transfer Board.

    These links should be helpful: http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-n...O/intelligence/Documents/AccessionPathnew.pdf

    http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-n...intelligence/Documents/LateralTransferNew.pdf

    I'm not sure if there is an Intel Officer on the Yard (which would be a good resource), but there should be officers who know how to get a hold of one.
    I wouldn't be surprised to see Information Dominance Corps (that's Intel, Information Warfare, Information Professional, Oceanography) billets increase (whether SWO-option program or direct accession) from all commissioning sources in the future. There is some research being conducted on whether the IDC should become a URL community.
     
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  18. AF6872

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    MIDNDAD:

    MOS for Adjutant and Intell from TBS have not recieved base assignments. Still waiting. Got first choice = Adjutant.
     
  19. Dolphins2012

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    According to the USNA website's FAQs:
    “What chance do I have of getting my first choice of service assignment?
    It depends on what you are requesting, but over 90% of a typical graduating class will receive their first choice.”
     
  20. MIDNDAD

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    Conratulations!!!! First choice at TBS is a big deal. Hope she gets base assignment that she likes.

    We're heading to Quntico next week for TBS graduation and then bringing her home for Christmas. Looking forward to the next couple of weeks!
     

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