GPA question

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  1. riroka

    riroka Member

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    I am wondering what happens when a cadet falls below the 2.5 gpa required to keep their scholarship? I assume they are required to pay back the Army?
     
  2. kinnem

    kinnem Moderator

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    When one loses the scholarship they either have to pay it back, or serve their commitment as enlisted. The Army decides which. Given the bidget cuts and downsizing I would expect people will be required to repay it these days.

    I don't know what the procedures are when one first drops below the 2.5 GPA. They might drop you from the program and scholarship immediately. They might also put you on probation for a semester and perhaps suspend the scholarship. You really need to find that out from the cadre. Don't know how much discretion they might have, if any.
     
  3. Pima

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    I would also think that yrs in may play a factor.

    In other words, a freshman may be released as in no harm/no foul. A jr may be required to payback or enlist since they attended LDAC.

    I have always heard for every branch that it is the jr. yr where the enlisted option comes into play.
     
  4. kinnem

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    I'm expect you're correct, as usual, Pima.
     
  5. Jcleppe

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    Your off on the GPA requirement. To keep your schoolarship you need to maintain a Cum GPA of 2.0, You are required to have a 3.0 in ROTC classes but your overall Cum GPA needs to be 2.0 or higher not 2.5.

    If you dip below the 2.0 they will put you on grade probation for one semester, the same that the college would do. You would have that semester to bring your GPA back above 2.0.

    If you fail to bring your GPA back above 2.0 they can remove you from ROTC, of course the college will probably remove you as well. If this happens before your sophomore year then you would have no obligation to the Army, if it happens after you start your sophomore year then you will have an obligation to the Army.

    If you are on the cusp and feel you can't handle the work or keep your grades up think hard about starting your sophomore year since that's when the obligation starts.

    Good luck.
     
  6. Jcleppe

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    For the Army it is the Sophomore year when either enlisted or payback comes into play. If a cadet is dropped after starting the first day of their sophomore year they will be required to either pay back the scholarship or enlist, the choice is not theirs to make, the Army will make it for them. Since the Army will be cutting down as well I would imagine more cadets that find themselves in this situation will be required to pay back the scholarship rather then enlist.
     
  7. -Bull-

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    Seems recently some cadets have come on here and been worried they'll lose a scholarship by dipping below the required GPA, but don't know what the GPA is. It's very important to know what is in your contract. When I took my oath, before the PMS would let me raise my right hand, I had to answer questions he asked me about the key points of my contract so I knew what I was getting into. I would advise every new cadet to read the contract, your HRA should have given you a copy. Otherwise, when you breach that contract, don't be surprised by anything, you signed saying you understood it.
     
  8. riroka

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    Thanks for all the replies! I am not the cadet - I am a concerned parent. My son overloaded last semester (Calc 3, physics, Organic Chem, Latin Studies etc). he passed with C's at worst. His ROTC grades are all A's, so no worry there.

    I was just a little concerned what would happen if he had another rough semester. I just guessed at the 2.5 number, sorry about that!
     
  9. Jcleppe

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    I can remember when my son came home after his first semester at school, it was the first time he was excited to get a "C" in a class...it was Chemistry, he skipped the lead in class and went right for the hard one. Your right that was a tough first semester for your son, sounds like he did well considering the load. See if he can spread out those hard classes a bit to give himself a break. The first semester is the hardest for sure, he did better then a lot of students with that class load.

    Good luck to him
     
  10. clarksonarmy

    clarksonarmy Recruiting Operations Officer at Clarkson Army

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    The contract says 2.0 for cumulative and semester GPA, and 2.0 for ROTC class. If you drop below we turn off your scholarship for the next semester. get back above we turn it back on. Can't get back above we start thinking about disenrollment and payback.

    Here is what the contract looks like.

    http://goldenknightbattalion.wordpress.com/2010/08/06/the-contract/
     
  11. riroka

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    He is an MSII actually. The O Chem class killed him and this caused his other classes to suffer. We have decided he needs to drop O chem2 and focus on his GPA, then take the chem class over the summer at a local school. He is a math major, but also pre-med so it won't affect his actual major.
     
  12. Jcleppe

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    Whoops, I guess I was wrong about the ROTC GPA, I always thought it was 3.0, thats what I get for reading a scanned copy of the contract my son sent me, that or I need better glasses.

    Thanks for the correct info
     
  13. clarksonarmy

    clarksonarmy Recruiting Operations Officer at Clarkson Army

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    Used to be 3.0...think it changed 2 or 3 years ago.
     
  14. Jcleppe

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    Thats it then, I have a MS4 son, I thought that's what it said then. I never even looked at that part of the contract for my MS1 son, just figured it was the same. I should have known things don't remain the same for long.

    Hard to believe the older son will be commissioning this spring and then heading off to flight school. Lucky us we get to go through it all again with the younger son.

    Thanks for all the great info you give and your blog is great to read....thought I would get a plug in for you.
     
  15. clarksonarmy

    clarksonarmy Recruiting Operations Officer at Clarkson Army

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    Thanks for the plug. Congrats on producing 2 officers. they grow up so fast. I've been here long enough that Cadets I saw contract as freshmen are now Captains. Hard to believe sometimes.
     
  16. kinnem

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    Clarkson - how have you managed to stay in one place so long... or can't they get anyone else to come up to the frigid north? :biggrin:
     
  17. crair70

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    Does anyone know if the 2.0 gpa requirement is the same for all ROTC branch scholarship recipients? (AFROTC, NROTC)
     
  18. goaliedad

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    I like Potsdam (charming town) and the north country as you drive along the St Lawrence. It was one of the more pleasant drives I've done over the years with goaliegirl.

    As to the cold... She's actually in a colder place... I'm not! :thumb:
     
  19. kinnem

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    :topic: Oh I agree. I loved it there. In fact I'm wearing my Potsdam t-shirt as I type this. But it does get cold from time to time in the winter.
     
  20. Aglahad

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    What counselor set him up with that schedule? I would never place calculus and algebra/calc based physics in the same semester let alone throw O-chem in the mix. I am guessing pre-med? I would have a serious talk with the counselor for future semesters.

    Oh and repayment/service doesn't reflect on MS years specifically, everything comes down to PMS recommendation. IF the PMS believes the cadet is a dirt bag, repayment seems like the likely outcome over enlisted time.

    J-Cleppe is right, your first day MS II year is when the obligations starts.
     

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