Helicopter parents and you

Then again, the majority of the military are enlisted, so i would expect more disciplinary problems. plus, most of those problems are when they are 17-21 years old. any officer, whether academy, rotc, or ots, has to be at least 21-22 to start their active duty career.

Of course, not all of those enlisted members excel. It was 18-20 year old enlisted members who got a VAST majority of the focus when it came to misconduct in various port calls, in general received more non-judicial punishment, get into trouble etc. Some of them live pay check to pay check, wasting it on cars they don't need or on the kids of women they knew for a week. Never forget a certain seaman talking about marrying a girl (with a kid) who had no career because he felt like she was "the one" despite a vast majority of the time he'd known her (less than two months) was while he was underway and far from that home port mistress. Against the counseling of myself, and a chief, he went forward with rushing the relationship. Their shipmates, the leadership at their commands..... those become a family away from home, and they help build each other. Sometimes they fail, but that's just part of life anywhere. Point is, they aren't wondering stars...they have a foundation that was built by their families.... and now it's time for the little birdies to fly... let 'em try.

I was a 1/c cadet on a cutter in 2005. We had a seaman apprentice who's parents lived just a couple of hours away. This kid was a crier. Anyway, it would have likely been better for him to be far away from his mother, as it was a negative situation. Eventually he broke into her house and was arrested.
 
Self Appointed Judges of Other Parents

Just curious as to what qualifies some of you to judge other parents. What may be "helicoptering" in your situation may be appropriate coaching for them. Each parent is responsible for their situation and NOT YOU! We all need to be careful as to what constitutes creating a crutch that inhibits our children from developing to their full potential while at the same time giving them an edge in life by passing on our life experience to them as much as possible and as they are willing to receive it.

Please parents don't let a few vocal posters prevent you from learning all you can. That's what forums are for.

As a tax payer and citizen I for one am glad the academies are becoming more accountable to the outside world. Too much waste, corruption, and inept leadership has been allowed to continue within the military due to lack of adequate accountability. I know of situations where a cadet either lost a limb or his/her life due to inept leadership or medical care. I also know of situations where parent/citizen involvement prevented it from happening because they injected themselves in an appropriate manner.

Does helicoptering happen? Sure does. Is it hurtful? Yep! In those situations I may send them a private email and try to help them be less helicoptering rather than gossip about it publicly in derision. I sure as heck don't want to be responsible for making them feel like I am judging them for loving their kids. Especially those parents who are experiencing this for the first time. I thought that's part of the reason these forums exist.

I'm glad someone brought up MacArthur's mother living near her son during his academy experience. History seems to indicate he turned out to be a strong competent leader. Was that helicoptering or did it give him an edge over other cadets? Just a thought....
 
Just curious as to what qualifies some of you to judge other parents. What may be "helicoptering" in your situation may be appropriate coaching for them. Each parent is responsible for their situation and NOT YOU! We all need to be careful as to what constitutes creating a crutch that inhibits our children from developing to their full potential while at the same time giving them an edge in life by passing on our life experience to them as much as possible and as they are willing to receive it.

Please parents don't let a few vocal posters prevent you from learning all you can. That's what forums are for.

As a tax payer and citizen I for one am glad the academies are becoming more accountable to the outside world. Too much waste, corruption, and inept leadership has been allowed to continue within the military due to lack of adequate accountability. I know of situations where a cadet either lost a limb or his/her life due to inept leadership or medical care. I also know of situations where parent/citizen involvement prevented it from happening because they injected themselves in an appropriate manner.

Does helicoptering happen? Sure does. Is it hurtful? Yep! In those situations I may send them a private email and try to help them be less helicoptering rather than gossip about it publicly in derision. I sure as heck don't want to be responsible for making them feel like I am judging them for loving their kids. Especially those parents who are experiencing this for the first time. I thought that's part of the reason these forums exist.

I'm glad someone brought up MacArthur's mother living near her son during his academy experience. History seems to indicate he turned out to be a strong competent leader. Was that helicoptering or did it give him an edge over other cadets? Just a thought....

And what exactly qualifies you to judge how the academies are run, financially or otherwise? Are privy to the inner workings of the Academies? You have visibility on their budgets and expenditures? You can testify to the waste and fraud? You're a board-certified surgeon and you've reviewed the cases of these patients with lost limbs/lives yourself? Or did you get it all secondhand?

What qualifies YOU to judge those situations, institutions, and physicians?

Oh, you're a taxpayer. And a citizen. I always forget that that makes everyone qualified to comment on any aspect of the militar's budget.
 
afapadad. I appreciate your concern for parents here. But no one ever singled out an individual parent and said they were a helicopter parent. Therefor, all discussions, like most, lend themselves to individuals using the information to be introspective and see how it applies to them or not. Some parents will read these comments and realize: "hmmm maybe I do need to let my son/daughter do more for themself". Some might think, I don't do that, but I know some parents who do.

Point is: A forum is the PERFECT place to talk about this and even judge. Why? Because it's anonymous. You might think this is a personal place, but the truth is, with a few exceptions, no one knows anyone here. And hopefully you're not the type of person who takes things personally from strangers that you've never met. Again; a forum is the perfect place to give personal opinions and judgements. It's anonymous. When you go to work tomorrow, people aren' whispering behind your back saying: "That's the guy/gal they were talking about on the forum.

You are correct that each parent/child is different. So are their scenarios. Me personally, I've never "Coached" my children. I've "Raised" my children. I know that "Coaching" is the new buzz word used in the touchy/feely world of the PC Corporate America. But our kids aren't our employees. My job isn't to be their best friend or buddy. My job was to be their parent. That took approximately 18 years. And if I did my job right, they learned to become self sufficient in most things; confident in their capabilities; and not too prideful to admit their limitations and ask for assistance. But if I didn't do my job right, then my kids would remain dependent; lacking self esteem/confidence; and unwilling to learn and ask for help from various resources.

There isn't one poster/post here that is inhibiting any parent on this forum from learning. If it is, in such an anonymous environment, then that parent probably has some confidence issues. But I doubt that is the issue. Again, in an anonymous environment, there is little room for hurt feelings or taking anything personal. You don't know any of these people personally, so it become personal. But when a cadet, alumni, ALO, etc... mentions their experiences with "Helicopter Parents" on a cadet, there is some significance there. There is some first hand knowledge of the results. So you might ask who are some of the people who are apparently "Judging". Well; first off, no one is judging, because no individual parent has been singled out, mentioned, and therefor judged. The thread is talking about parents in general and some who are helicopter parents. Each reader can read the posts and judge for themselves if they fit in that category or not. Plus, the thread was started if I recall by an academy alumni. That seems like a pretty reasonable position to be from when making such comment. Again; it's not personal. Don't read it as such, and don't chastise other posters because you take personally what strangers and anonymous posters right.
 
afapadad,

I don't think anyone here was personally judging or attacking another poster. We all were saying what we defined a helicopter parent to be in our personal opinion.

I did not see one posters name referenced or criticized regarding their parenting beliefs. The OP that created the thread is not a parent. He was just asking for opinions.

I have to agree with scout, as a taxpayer you have every right to voice what you personally believe is what the military calls Fraud, waste and abuse. It is your right. I respect that. That is what our military members defend, your right to criticize anything in the country, including what you believe is corruption and inept leadership due to the lack of accountability.

However, none of that has anything to do with helo parents.

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Does helicoptering happen? Sure does. Is it hurtful? Yep! In those situations I may send them a private email and try to help them be less helicoptering rather than gossip about it publicly in derision. I sure as heck don't want to be responsible for making them feel like I am judging them for loving their kids. Especially those parents who are experiencing this for the first time. I thought that's part of the reason these forums exist.

For the most part I believe posters do not gossip openly on this forum. Re-read the forum, not one parent who expressed their opinion was ridiculed.

Instead it was filled with posts of guidance on differentiating between loving and supporting your child compared to suffocating them.

I do agree it is up to each parent to decide their definition of what a Helo parent is. I am sure if someone called you a Helo parent, don't know if you are, you would not stop doing anything you currently do for your kids. You will rationalize your actions and ignore their advice or opinion. We all rationalize our actions when it comes to our kids, because we know our own kids.

My family and friends calls me the strict parent because OMG, I don't buy them new phones every yr., and they have horrible chores in the house like taking out the garbage, or loading the dishwasher. Worse yet, I don't give them an allowance to do these chores. They don't pay me to do their laundry or go grocery shopping, it is a part of being a family member IMPO. Want spending money when you are over the age of 16, get a job or volunteer. If they volunteer we personally pay them the min wage. :eek: I know, only the min, how cruel, right?

I openly say to my BFF (of 15 yrs), that I want to come back in my next life as her kids. Their youngest is 22, and has attended college for the last 4 yrs, he lives in a TH they purchase and own, pay car, gas, 150 a week in spending money, and after all of that he is classified as a spring semester sophomore. Yes, he will not graduate until he is 25. Our 2 eldest who are younger than him will graduate before him at this rate.

She knows my opinion about her parenting beliefs, and I know hers about ours. Doesn't change our friendship. Doesn't change our parenting philosophies. I respect that is her family. She respects that is my family. We support each other when times are bad and rejoice when they are good. We never say "told you so" or "what did you expect?"

Just because I disagree, does not, nor will not ever equate in me believing I am judging. I am expressing my opinion. If you judge someone on just one opinion, and not the entire person for their other attributes they bring to your life, your life in my opinion will be not well rounded.

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You are correct that each parent/child is different. So are their scenarios. Me personally, I've never "Coached" my children. I've "Raised" my children. I know that "Coaching" is the new buzz word used in the touchy/feely world of the PC Corporate America. But our kids aren't our employees. My job isn't to be their best friend or buddy. My job was to be their parent. That took approximately 18 years. And if I did my job right, they learned to become self sufficient in most things; confident in their capabilities; and not too prideful to admit their limitations and ask for assistance. But if I didn't do my job right, then my kids would remain dependent; lacking self esteem/confidence; and unwilling to learn and ask for help from various resources.

:thumb: Yep! You train them up in the way they should go, give them a pat on the back and say, "You can do it! I believe in you. Go get 'em!" and send them out to take on the world.

Parents who call TAC officers, post on cadet-run FB pages, or take on the roommate when the cadet has his/her feelings hurt need to turn loose and stop stunting your kid's growth. Surely you don't expect your 2nd LT to call home and run everything by you or enlist your help for every issue or snafu?!?! YIKES!
 
Parents who call TAC officers, post on cadet-run FB pages, or take on the roommate when the cadet has his/her feelings hurt need to turn loose and stop stunting your kid's growth. Surely you don't expect your 2nd LT to call home and run everything by you or enlist your help for every issue or snafu?!?! YIKES!

:thumb::thumb: Not to mention the public embarrassment factor, which I actually believe is the greater harm here.
 
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"Surely you don't expect your 2nd LT to call home and run everything by you or enlist your help for every issue or snafu?!?! YIKES!"

I called my Dad from Panama in Dec 1989 during a stopping point in the ground assault phase of Just Cause so he could hear all the small arms fire going on - a little immature :rolleyes: but he was tickled (reminded him of the old days)... Just like in "Heartbreak Ridge"... :shake:

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"Surely you don't expect your 2nd LT to call home and run everything by you or enlist your help for every issue or snafu?!?! YIKES!"

I called my Dad from Panama in Dec 1989 during a stopping point in the ground assault phase of Just Cause so he could hear all the small arms fire going on - a little immature :rolleyes: but he was tickled (reminded him of the old days)... Just like in "Heartbreak Ridge"... :shake:

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LOL, Romad! I'll give you a pass on that one! :wink:
 
I'm surprised the military or war even still exists. Isn't it society's goal to make sure no one felt like a "Loser". We don't keep score with our kids playing games; everyone gets a trophy; don't want to hurt anyone's feelings; etc... Maybe we should send a letter to Al Qaeda. We want to make sure their self esteem and feelings having been hurt my our military.

Seriously though; in most cases, the 17-23 year old cadet doesn't NEED mommy and daddy to help them. They can definitely do it on their own if they had to. They may want help, but most don't actually need it. The helicopter parent is usually someone who is rationalizing their "Role". Most parents forget that once their child turns 18 and/or moves out, that their role has changed FROM: Directive in nature TO: Supportive. Prior to moving out, the parent's job was very much so to tell their kids what to do; when; why; how; etc... Sometimes to do things for them. "E.g. 8 year old johnny wants to borrow the band saw to build a skateboard. Probably should have some assistance. Once the kid leaves, the parent's role needs to be mainly a sounding board for the kid to vent. Possibly to give an outsider's view of a situation.

But definitely, a parent's job for a child who has moved out it NOT to tell them how to live their life. It's not to tell them how to do things. It's definitely not to call their kid's college professor, employer, military instructor, doctor, etc... Sorry; but you no longer have the job or responsibility. And it's no longer your right. I understand that some parents don't want to admit that their little baby has grown up and they need to let go. But they need to be told this. And some parents have to realize that the academy is not the University of Whereverthehell. These cadets are no longer on your taxes. They are no longer your dependent. They are making their own decisions. They are in the MILITARY FIRST; College Education SECOND. Anything that you know about your child and/or the academy/military, is 100% because your child CHOSE to LET YOU KNOW!!! You no longer have a "RIGHT" to your child's life.

There's definitely nothing wrong with being a part of your child's life. learn about the academy/military. Provide your child with information/knowledge that you have learned. Give them some of your experiences if it helps. But the key is: 1) Don't do it FOR THEM... 2) Don't believe that you have the same rights or responsibilities as a parent that you had when your child was in high school. You don't. And the sooner you let little johnny or jannie start doing for themselves, the better prepared they will be for life.
 
I think you guys are being too harsh. I have a different opinion on all this:

1. Parents have every right to be active in their children's lives. In fact, at least in my view, that is commendable parental behavior. The real tragedy is that many parents are NOT active in their children's lives. Not all families have the same relationships as those who think it is best to ship the kids off to boarding school and let the kids fend for themselves. On the other extreme, some parents believe that it is best to home-school their children. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that either. Different strokes for different folks.

I happen to be in the camp where I maintain a close relationship with my children and have all of my kids parked in public school. I am not ashamed of that and never will be (in fact, at times I border on neglectful, especially when a trial or big corporate transaction looms and I really don't have the bandwidth for them). I also believe that it would be inappropriate for me to presume to know what is best for someone else's child.

2. I'm not sure why folks think being "independent" is a good thing. In the military, being "independent" is actually a bad thing, at least that was my experience (I may have had a different experience than others). Every year, many so-called "independent" 2LTs fall on their face because they think they are "independent" and thus do not listen to their senior NCO's, especially their platoon sergeant. Many believe that asking questions or relying on others is a sign of weakness (or perhaps a parent taught them that along the way). Sadly, those who do not rely on others often end up getting their soldiers lost in the woods, or worse, killed. Relying on your fellow comrade in arms is truly the essence of the military, and it is not an easy thing to do (if the leader thinks being "independent" is the best thing, how can she or he teach their soldiers that they need to place blind faith reliance on their fire-team buddies to cover their own assigned fields of fire?). The truth is that most 2LTs don't have a clue about what it really means to lead a platoon, even those who earned the distinction of Distinguished Military Graduate. But things do work out eventually. It always does. And just when the 2LT really learns his or her job, it's then time for them to be promoted to 1LT and off to bigger and better jobs that they, initially, don't have a clue in the world on how to handle. Maybe I was in a different Army than everyone else.

There is a difference between being "independent" and being "self-sufficient", though. I happen to think everyone around here will do just fine and the sky will not fall. Except in the case of an orphan or abandoned child, I don't think there is a single parent on the Earth who hasn't helped their children (although I have encountered folks along the way who professed that they didn't, when what they really did was be more active at an earlier stage in the child's life than other so-called "helicopter" parents might have been). The fact that a parent does laundry for a college student is absolutely NO DIFFERENT than a Service Academy doing laundry for a cadet. I do not think that the service academies are producing incompetent leaders simply because they do laundry for the cadets. How is it any different when a parent takes on that task for them? It is simply teaching the kids how to delegate. When these kids have to assume the "driver's seat" in goverment and business later on, they will do just fine.

3. LITS, I don't think there is anything wrong with a parent asking a lot of questions and learning a wealth of information from this website or elsewhere and then "paying it forward" and helping others. In my short time on this website, I have rarely seen a parent comment on something he or she did not know something about (sure, folks have different opinions about things, but that does NOT mean they are ignorant or otherwise unqualified to state their opinion -- no one should be condemned for their opinion just because it is different). Also, a parent learns a lot from having a kid who is a cadet at a Service Academy, even though the parent may not have graduated from the SA themselves.

I'm not sure how I will feel about contributing to SAF five years from now, but I suspect that I might feel a bit guilty about soaking this site for information and not sharing what I have learned with others down the road.

From my own experience as a parent learning about things here on SAF, I just know that I benefited GREATLY this past summer from the many posts from parents who have been willing to take time out of their busy schedules to lend advice on what New Cadets should bring for, say, R-Day at West Point (based on what they thought was helpful in the years when their own DD/DS attended R-Day). These generous parents are to be commended, not condemned.

Some folks give back to society by serving as scout masters, little league coaches, Big Brothers/Big Sisters, volunteers at retirement homes, etc. There is positively nothing wrong with helping others. From my own experience, I attended Norwich University and know a LOT about that school. But I suspect strongly that there are aspects about Norwich that only a parent who has a child currently attending that school will know. For example, parents with current cadets likely know more than either me or the current PMS of Norwich about things that affect many matriculating cadets, including things like financial aid, academics, etc. And if someone generates a post containing incorrect information, others will be sure to correct the record. And we move on. So what's the harm?

It's always easy to be negative and point fingers and criticize others for volunteering their time. It is also easy to chuckle when someone asks a simple question, which likely wasn't all that "simple" just a few short years ago. I just know that I am one grateful parent who is thankful for the many posts that I have found here on SAF. I suspect that I am not alone.

In short, my personal, humble opinion is that there's nothing wrong with parents asking lots of questions and sharing what they know with others. In my experience, limited as it is, I have found that those who ask the most questions end up learning more than the others and, eventually, are the ones who provide the soundest advice. But that's just my opinion.

Another most excellent post from Patentesq!
 
I don't think anyone disagrees that there is anything wrong with a parent being involved and interested in their child's future. And assisting them in some of their daily tasks and decisions. Even after they've graduated high school and are attending an academy or civilian university.

I believe the main point by some posters is that "some" parents go too far in their "assistance". They believe that they are still in the position where THEY are still the "Authority" figure. That what they decide is the way it's suppose to be. Do I still do tune ups, oil change, maintenance, etc... on my son's car twice a year when he comes home? Yes. I did it for my daughter while she was in college too. But now, my daughter gets oil changes, tire rotation/replacement, tuneups, etc... on her own. She asks for recommendations of where to go to have it done, and I advise, but I no longer call for her. The same will happen when my son graduates the academy in May.

But I never contacted my son/daughter's roommate because they were having issues with my child. I didn't fill out either kid's college applications. I helped with providing information when they asked. No, we didn't do their laundry; unless they were home on vacation and we were doing laundry anyway. We didn't call their insurance company to get them THEIR OWN insurance. We would never contact their university/academy about problems they were having in a course or with an instructor.

Assisting someone, especially a child in an area where their skill set isn't equal to the task is fine. I'd do that with co-workers or anyone else. If they need help with cars, electronics, computers, etc... I'll help them. Many other areas that I have proficiency in. However; "SOLVING PROBLEMS" for them is a No No. That, in my opinion, is the true definition of a Helicopter parent. Someone who doesn't allow their child to solve problems by themselves. Or at least allow them to decide where to go for help. The cadets which are the subject of this topic, don't need their mommy/daddy to help them figure out how to pack and move their stuff to their next base after graduation. They don't need your help opening a bank account. They don't need your help with problems in classes or the military.

Again; there's a difference between providing assistance/knowledge in areas that you have experience and proficiency in and they lack the skill set..... and "Solving Problems" for them. But again, there are some parents who still think that they are the "AUTHORITY FIGURE" even after their child graduates high school. That's where many parents need to realize that they aren't. LEGALLY, the only rights or privileges that they have with their children, are what their child CHOOSES TO GIVE THEM.
 
"SNAFU" Old time. It's a "Thin Red Line" and parents should not cross it. They are adults whether parents recognize it or not and their problems are their problems not yours. Just let them know you are there if needed. Wife did Laundry every week while son was high school (we were 15 minutes away and I was delivery:yllol:) He does his own now and even irons his uniforms.
 
I think we're all saying the same thing and are starting to beat this issue to death. At the risk of beating this issue further, though, I do have one other thought.

What I think is the real issue is a failure of some parents to accept that the military has become their child's parent now. The new cadets are far from "self-sufficient" (at least how the military understands that term) despite what they tell their parents when home on leave. When the child shows up for training, she or he is actually being told when to speak, when to eat, where to stand, how to stand, when to sleep, where to place their fork, and so on. The SA or SMC does their laundry, the cadets have to leave their doors open to ensure that they are studying, the folks in finance help with direct deposit, the docs help with the cadet's healthcare. This doesn't give proper credit to cadet cadre who are so into a cadet's daily business, it's not even funny!

Does all this "ultra-supervision" stunt the young leader's future growth as a leader? Not one bit. In fact, it makes them stronger! It makes them understand what teamwork is all about and what depending on your comrade in arms -- with your life -- really means! This training actually builds the cadet's confidence instead of undermining it. Were the "treatment" considered detrimental to the child's growth, I suspect that it would have been abandoned centuries ago.

To the dismay of some parents, the military is the real "parent" now and is teaching the cadets some very basic skills the military way. The system has worked for generations. If a child professes to be "self-sufficient," they don't get a "pass" on all this training, because even though they may declare themselves as way more "self-sufficient" than the others and act that way, the military knows they are not. If the child pushes the issue, then we all know who will win that dispute.

I think the reason folks in the military really get annoyed with parents who try to inject themselves in the process is that it conflicts directly with the training that the military is attempting to provide the young servicemember and, frankly, is perceived as a rejection of the idea that the military is really in charge of that individual now -- from head to toe. When a parent tacitly rejects that notion by attempting to interfere, the military fights back and is more than capable of winning this argument. It always has.

In other contexts, however, it is considered perfectly acceptable for a person to fight a battle on behalf of someone else. For example, I just got off the phone with my CEO to urge him to give a substantial raise to one of my subordinates. Now, if my subordinate's mother had done that, it would be considered weird. The fact that I did that, though, was perfectly acceptable, because that's my job to do that. And I don't think for a minute that I have stunted my subordinate's growth as a person by fighting that battle for him.

In the context of the military, if I or one of my NCO's did not intervene in a fight within the barracks, then there's a problem. The fact is that, as officers in the military, these future leaders will be EXPECTED to fight many battles for their troops, and that is considered commendable leadership that doesn't harm the soldier one bit.

Up until the point of passing the baton on to the military, there is nothing wrong with a parent guiding their kids through the transition. In fact, my view is that is the parent's JOB! At a civilian university, where there is less supervision than at an SA or SMC, there may be a greater role for the parent for ongoing development, but that role should NEVER interfere with the ROTC instructors who have the similar charge of getting these kids ready to lead men and women of our armed forces. That is why it is important not to interfere, not because of some notion that the parent is somehow harming the child's "self-esteem".

There is one more complication when it comes to the service academies and ROTC scholarships -- the "gate-keepers" want to ensure that participation in the military is really the child's desire and NOT the parent's. The military does not want kids who don't want to serve, because it doesn't want to waste a lot of time, money, and effort on those who don't have their heart on serving. Experience informs these "gate-keepers" that if an applicant is not interested in what she or he is doing, chances are s/he won't be good at it. And the military is looking for good people to fill its leadership ranks.

At least that's the way I see it. I certainly am not going to get stressed out that I am somehow harming my child or undermining his training at USMA if I go online and purchase plane tickets for him to come home over the holidays. It is really NOT a big deal. Actually, I would prefer he study for final examinations than deal with really menial and time-consuming tasks like that. He will have plenty of opportunity to "sink or swim."
 
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Don't confuse teaching "Discipline" with self sufficiency. They aren't being told HOW to do things because the cadet doesn't know HOW to eat, sleep, speak, etc... They are being taught discipline.

And yes, they ARE self sufficient. Just like the 17-18 year old enlisted troop coming out of basic training. The only difference is; the enlisted troop when not in class or at a formation is free to come and go as they please. The cadet at the academy is more restricted. But to say that they aren't self sufficient, (as the military understands the term) is incorrect.

The laundry is only done Mandatory the first year; because the C4C doesn't have the time to do their laundry. After the first year, the cadet is free to continue to pay and have the laundry done, or go do it themselves. Again; it's not because the military thinks these cadets are NOT self sufficient. And sorry; but I believe saying the military is now their "Parent" is also a bit demeaning and degrading to the cadets. I know you probably don't mean it the way it sounds, but you need to give these cadets a lot more credit than you're giving them. The 17-18 year old enlisted troop coming out of BCT is expected to be self sufficient and responsible for their OWN ACTIONS. Same thing with the 17-22 year old cadet. To think they aren't is demeaning to the cadets.
 
Don't confuse teaching "Discipline" with self sufficiency. They aren't being told HOW to do things because the cadet doesn't know HOW to eat, sleep, speak, etc... They are being taught discipline.

And yes, they ARE self sufficient. Just like the 17-18 year old enlisted troop coming out of basic training. The only difference is; the enlisted troop when not in class or at a formation is free to come and go as they please. The cadet at the academy is more restricted. But to say that they aren't self sufficient, (as the military understands the term) is incorrect.

The laundry is only done Mandatory the first year; because the C4C doesn't have the time to do their laundry. After the first year, the cadet is free to continue to pay and have the laundry done, or go do it themselves. Again; it's not because the military thinks these cadets are NOT self sufficient. And sorry; but I believe saying the military is now their "Parent" is also a bit demeaning and degrading to the cadets. I know you probably don't mean it the way it sounds, but you need to give these cadets a lot more credit than you're giving them. The 17-18 year old enlisted troop coming out of BCT is expected to be self sufficient and responsible for their OWN ACTIONS. Same thing with the 17-22 year old cadet. To think they aren't is demeaning to the cadets.

Uncle.
 
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