Honor Code

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  1. Riggy13

    Riggy13 New Member

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    Is there still an honor code in regards to exams?
     
  2. BAJohnson

    BAJohnson Member

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    Nah during exams you are allowed to cheat I hear.
     
  3. scoutpilot

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    Yeah, I was kind of wondering where he was headed with this one...
     
  4. Riggy13

    Riggy13 New Member

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    I heard supposedly the professor leaves the room and if you're caught cheating you're kicked out of West Point
     
  5. LSSmith

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    Cheating is cheating no matter how you slice it!

    I will not lie, cheat, or steal or tolerate those who do. Sound familiar?!
     
  6. Dixieland

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    Yes, and at other colleges too. Cheating, in any form, is not tolerated at institutes of higher learning.
     
  7. Gray Hog

    Gray Hog USMA Alumnus

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    I wasn't sure if this thread was a joke, but it doesn't seem to be, so here goes:

    The honor code is at the very heart of West Point and is one of the most significant aspects of cadet life. Though an official academy institution [not exactly the right word], the code is administered by the Corps of Cadets themselves, though under the oversight of academy officials.

    It is not merely about academics, either. A cadet can and will be dismissed from the academy for lying, cheating, or stealing, regardless of where or how [though there can be mitigating and/or extenuating circumstances which will be taken into consideration]. Even more challenging, is that the code does not permit a cadet to tolerate another cadet he has reason to believe lied, cheated, or stole. If he fails to report such an incident, he is in violation of the code himself, and subject to the same punishment.

    Because of the code, yes, professors will leave the room during exams. In fact, cadets can come and go during exams and even chat in the hallway, so long as they do not discuss the exam. I remember one final I had, which allowed us to use any of the books we had been issued as part of the course. When I got to the final page of the exam, I realized that it required the use of a book I had forgotten to bring with me to the exam. I had plenty of time remaining, so I got up, told the professor in the hall that I was leaving to get my book (so that he would know that I was not finished and not to pick up my incomplete paper), and walked back to my barracks room. I chatted briefly with some friends, ate some cookies, and then returned with the book to the classroom to complete the exam. There was never any concern in the professor's mind that I would discuss the exam with someone outside of the classroom and he was certainly right that I would not.
     
  8. Chockstock

    Chockstock "Forever One Team"

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    Asking a question like this only seems to make you look as if you're looking for loopholes in the cadet honor system. I guess others here are, but I really can't take your question seriously - the answer should be more than obvious to anyone seriously interested in attending West Point.
     
  9. Riggy13

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    Well this was told to me by a former graduate and the second part is i heard if you're a junior or senior you get sent into the army instead of just getting kicked out
     
  10. Ken2012

    Ken2012 Prospective

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    If you leave after your second year at West Point, you are required to enlist to pay back the money spent on you by West Point.
     
  11. WAMom68

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    If the cadet is guilty it is very likely he/she would be separated (kicked out). If accused of cheating (or other honor violations) a cadet is not automatically thrown out. There is system of justice in place to determine if the accused is guilty or not and if guilty. If you are a cadet candidate all of this will be explained to you during Beast. If you are just curious there is information about the honor code and honor boards out on the internet.

    If a cadet is separated after they begin their cow year they could be required to pay back costs associated with their education or they could be required to serve as enlisted for 5 years.
     
  12. Chockstock

    Chockstock "Forever One Team"

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    Its still probably really bad enough to face an honor board even if you're not "convicted" of anything :\
     
  13. Gray Hog

    Gray Hog USMA Alumnus

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    A cadet brought before an honor board will be stigmatized to some degree, regardless of outcome. There is a thorough investigation/vetting process leading up to a board, so there must be adequate reason to believe that a cadet actually committed an honor violation before he will have to face a board. So, even if the board does not find him guilty, everyone recognizes that, just as in a court of law, inadequate evidence to prove guilt does not equate to innocence.

    In the Old Corps (the really Old Corps), an honor board acquittal could still result in a cadet being “silenced” by the Corps. That is no longer allowed, but a cadet may still be shunned.

    This is not to say that the honor code is something to be feared. Rather, it is something to be embraced. The fact that the Corps takes the code so seriously and polices its own ranks to weed out those who cannot live by it is a source of pride.
     
  14. scoutpilot

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    Yes, it is. When I was a Cadet Platoon Sergeant, I was the cadet advisor for one of my squad leaders during his honor board. He was found laughably innocent of the accusation, as even the teacher who brought him up said that he thought the offense didn't occur but felt he was duty-bound to raise the question.

    The six-week ordeal was soul-crushing, and even in his innocence it ruined a good part of his Cow year. The honor system is not to be trifled with, and the consequences of an honor violation go far beyond the simple question of staying or being expelled.
     
  15. Sierra1

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    are you kidding?

    I certainly hope this poster is kidding??
    Are we all sure this is a legitimate thread or just posted by someone to cause a stir?!?!?
     
  16. Riggy13

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    This is a serious thread. I am a candidate for the class of 2015 and i heard about the honor code through a former graduate that i know. When i heard i wanted to look into it more so i posted the thread.
     
  17. Just_A_Mom

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    If you are a person of good character then you have nothing to worry about. When you get to USMA you will be well schooled in the Honor Code and its application.

    If you want to know more, click here: http://www.usma.edu/Cpme/SCPME_About/Honor/honor.htm
     
  18. mtnman17

    mtnman17 USMA Appointee 2015

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    This has no relevance to the current topic, but which year is called your Cow year? I am assuming Junior from this context, but could someone enlighten me?
     
  19. Just_A_Mom

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    you are correct - junior year
    Plebe
    Yuk (Yearling)
    Cow
    Firstie
     
  20. Gray Hog

    Gray Hog USMA Alumnus

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    Freshmen also go by other names, besides Plebe, but you will learn those at the appropriate time. :wink:
     

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