How are my CFA scores?

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  1. sjbd94

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    Just a little background on me, I am a Cross Country runner so my upper body is weak and is kinda reflected in my scores, but my running muscles show their strength in the mile and sit ups. Also i had a hard track workout yesterday and didnt go all out in my mile. So let me know what you think. Thanks! BTW i am also sending these scores to west point.

    Basketball: 52 feet
    Shuttle Run: 9.9 secs
    Candace Pull ups: 9
    Crunches: maxed out (i did 108, but apparently was supposed to stop at 95)
    Push Ups: 59 the only one i was kinda disappointed in, but i think its okay
    Mile:5:32 Kinda wish i would have just gone for the 5:20, but i don't feel like 12 secs is gonna make a big difference

    Do you think these would be good scores to submit or should i wait and try to take it again.
    Thanks!
     
  2. sjbd94

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    Hopefully you guys can tell im a guy, haha, ive seen post before where people are unsure so i thought i should just make sure to not allow me to get embarrassed. Thanks again to all those to give me advice!
     
  3. Tainted

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    In my personal opinion, I would suggest taking it again if you can.
    Getting a 5:20 mile looks much better because it shows that you more than likely did better than 5:20. Obviously, because your Whole Candidate Score is based off numbers, 5:15 and 5:20 get the same amount of points, per say, but a maxed out time in the mile helps make up for your weaker areas.
     
  4. cchung34

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    Do you mind looking at my CFA scores? I'm a girl.

    Basketball throw - 64 feet
    Shuttle Run - 8.1 sec
    Pull-ups - 3
    Push-ups - 50
    Sit-ups - 95
    Mile - 7:32

    I'm worried about the mile. Ironically, I'm in cross country and this was definitely not my best. Did anybody get really tired after all of these events that your scores for the mile wasn't as good as it could be? That happened to me :thumbdown:
     
  5. robinhood17

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    chung, I definitely feel you! haha

    When I did my rotc pft, I completed the mile first...and my time was a 6:42.

    Did my CFA,and my mile time was low 7's.

    Pushup/situps are max. Pullups are awesome for a girl (at least,my ALO's are happy with a 3!) shuttle is also a max....and basketball is pretty far up there.

    Overall, for a female I think it's a great test. A reminder is that this year is extremely competitive...and therefore, if there is any way to decrease your mile time without sacrificing other max scores..that should be considered.

    good luck!:thumb:
     
  6. USAFA_Falcon_15

    USAFA_Falcon_15 USAFA '15 Appointee

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    All of you can improve. Sorry.. But if this is important to you then putting a little more time into this and improving your diet for a month or so should be nothing. Look at this as the end all be all. You're competing with the best, so do your best. You're only goal should be to max everything, that's the only way you can assure your scores are significant enough. I maxed all but the run and BB, but I scored in the 80's on the basketball throw, I'm 5'6 with short arms. It's about how bad you want this guys. I know you want someone to tell you it's good enough, but bottom line is no one here is in admissions. With your class being more competitive than mine, there is no room to cut corners. Give nothing less than your best.
     
  7. Pima

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    Here is an easy way to answer you:

    MAX scores for guys:
    100' for BBall
    18 Pull ups
    85 push ups
    95 sit ups
    5:30 mile

    I can't remember the shuttle run, but I believe it is in the 7 sec range.

    Once submitted you cannot re-submit a new score without them opening the portal, and it not offered to everybody.

    The CFA is you must pass all of them to get a pass. In other words, you can't max the sit ups, but boff the Bball, if you do, you fail.

    Additionally, never go past the max, it is a waste of your energy and strength. Once you hit the number stop.

    In other words for the OP going to 108, was not wise, and IMPO, I have a funky feeling that the form was not done to the AF stds., this will hurt you when you go to BCT because they are going to be sticklers on the form.


    I also agree with Falcon, every point matters for this yr group when it comes to admissions. The CFA may not account for big points on the WCS, but even 1 point can be the difference from a BFE and a TWE.

    sjbd, if you have yet to submit it, I wouldn't. The bball throw is very low, you want to be at least in 70 range at worst. The push ups are also low.
     
  8. Blackbird

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    Pima is close, but here are the official numbers from the 2011 Instructions for Candidates (page 8)

    CFA Max for Males
    Basketball Throw:102
    Pull-Ups: 18
    Shuttle Run: 7.8
    Modified Sit-Ups: 95
    Push-Ups: 75
    1-Mile Run: 5:20

    CFA Max for Females
    Basketball Throw:66
    Pull-Ups: 7
    Shuttle Run: 8.6
    Modified Sit-Ups: 95
    Push-Ups: 50
    1-Mile Run: 6:00
     
  9. crair70

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    advice?

    Looking for advice...
    My DS has been told he is 3Q so scores meet a "pass" but he is not sure if he should try and retake

    Basketball throw - 81 ft
    Pull Ups -16
    Shuttle Run 8.9ft
    Sit-up 95 (max)
    Push up- 68
    Mile run 6:49

    His guess is he may be able to shave off a10-15 sec on run, in 70's for pushup and maybe 1 more pull-up. He was happy with his scores when submitted but now after reading threads is not sure... Would minor improvements help at all or should he be content. He doesn't think he can do much better but maybe a little...
    Also 2 varsity letters (fball and XC), 2 years JV baseball, 2 yrs JV fball, active in competitive snowboard and mountain biking club, 1 year of club water polo active in fitness triathlons ....
     
  10. Pima

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    He has submitted the scores, IT IS NOT UP TO HIM TO RE-SUBMIT. Only the AFA can ask for another test. That portal is closed and opened by them, and them alone. It is not like the USNA or WP where they can request to take another, and submit new scores. This is why many people stress taking practice CFA's before submitting.

    I do not see them asking for it with those scores, it does not seem that he boffed one section. All he an do now is wait.

    I wouldn't worry too much, he has strong scores.

    What you need to concentrate on is his entire packet. Obviously he has the athletics, but the PAR is 60% of the WCS, and as Flieger stated a long time ago, this yr a 700 on each section of the SAT may place the candidate in jeopardy, especially since they take superscore.

    Not to hijack the thread, but the superscoring issue has always puzzled me. AFA superscores, AFROTC takes the best sitting. This is why you will later on ???? how did this kid get into the AFA, but not an AFROTC scholarship from your slate.
     
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  11. Blackbird

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    Wow, impressive that well rounded candidates with a 700 (31 ACT) on each section maybe in jeopardy of not getting an appointment. That is some serious competition . . .
     
  12. Packer

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    They superscore because the numbers look impressive. Gotta play the game.

    Sorry to be so cynical.
     
  13. Packer

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    The average for the last couple of years is 30 ACT, 680/640 (M/CR) SAT so a 31 ACT 700 SAT being in jeopardy seems to be a bit of a stretch.
     
  14. Pima

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    1. Remember that maybe for Flieger's area as an ALO, that is the number.

    Look at VA. It is very competitive, and that would be in alignment for the students coming from Northern VA.

    In Fairfax county, the avg SAT score is @1350. That is the avg, so if you score a 1350 you are in the 50%.

    IS colleges in our area that would not be seen as "selective" have the avg SAT score of 1280. GMU has that avg, and for us that is a safety. UVA is on par with the AFA, and 1350 would place the student at a reach for them if it was purely based on academics, which it isn't.

    Now go to NC, and Wayne County, the avg is probably 1200. So you need to also understand that you can't compare each candidate right off the bat, because they will 1st compete on their slate level, and if not selected, but high enough they may go to the NWL pool, and that would be where for PAR purposes regarding the SAT portion, the NC kid would be at a disadvantage against the No. Va candidate.

    2. The 1320 is the avg. Now remember that they have cadets coming in from Falcon, and traditionally, Falcon is there for a building block academically, thus they usually have a weaker SAT score.

    We can throw stats around all day long, but if you are looking at it, and include the Falcon candidate, the numbers would be skewed, since it is @ 10% of the class for this yr. Remove those and I would believe for direct admit to the AFA the SAT would be higher than the 1320 it has been in recent years.

    Which brings us back to #1. Depending on your slate a 1400 might be the mid pack for the candidate.

    Packer, I do understand the numbers game, and I am a proponent for ending superscoring not only with the SA's, but all colleges. Back in my day, you got 2 chances, they took the best sitting of the 2. If you went on for a 3rd, than the scores were averaged, thus most kids wouldn't risk it by taking the third.

    The irony here is parents scream that due to No Child Left Behind teachers are teaching the test. They don't realize that by allowing your child to take 4,5,6, etc SAT/ACTs you are doing the exact same thing. The child is learning how to take the test, yet nobody is in an uproar about superscoring.

    Sorry to again hijack the thread. Just remember the CFA does count, and you should submit a strong score, because only 1050 are expected to enter, compare that to the class of 12 where @ 1350 entered. Shaving 300 cadets off of even that class would mean their WCS would not look the same as it did when they were appointed.

    Supply and demand. Short supply, high demand, prices rise. That is what the class of 16 will be, in this case the price is their stats.
     
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  15. Packer

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    Pima, we are way off in the weeds here but I think we mostly agree. I think the average SAT score will rise some this year but not to 700+. Approximately 1/2 of the class is below the average. There will be very few appointments off of the NWL this year as almost all of the slots will be filled by MOC slates, presidential, etc. The key is the competion on your MOC's slate. On one slate a 1200 SAT may win and on another a 1500 may not. The test scores are only one piece of the WCS and you must do your best in all areas to win your MOC slate. That includes doing your best on the CFA.
     
  16. crair70

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    Thanks Pima- I forgot USAFA does not allow CFA retests- He is also applying to USNA so will post the same question there and see what the verdict is...

    BTW- Also puzzled about AFROTC vs USAFA Act/SAT Score policy. DS has applied to AFROTC as well and we were surprised they did not super score??
     
  17. navy2016

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    You did well. Yes you could improve on mile run but you did so well on the others I probably wouldn't go through the trouble. Just stay fit.
     
  18. robinhood17

    robinhood17 USMA Cadet

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    Retook my CFA today. Female:
    mile: 7:08
    pushups: 50 (Max)
    situps: 95 (Max)
    pullups: 5
    shuttle 8.4 (Max)
    BB throw: 54

    I really am hoping these scores will get me somewhere this time. Thanks!
     
  19. Blackbird

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    Very nicely done Stephanie.
     

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