# How many appointments are awarded per Region?

Discussion in 'Military Academy - USMA' started by hmza, Sep 18, 2012.

1. ### hmzaMember

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How will the 1200 appointments be awarded amongst the Regions? Is there a percentage each Region receives and then goes to the states within the region?

2. ### MemberLGMember

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Don't know but I can tell that Maryland gets about 30 +/- appointments a year.

Maryland is considered an above average state as to 2 senators + 8 Congressmen = 10.

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4. ### hmzaMember

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Thanks MemberLG. We are from NC which has 13 congressmen. That would give us at the very least 15 appointments.

5. ### GoArmyBeatNavyMember

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That assumes that every district had at least one qualified candidate and had a "vacancy" at the academy (every congressional district can only have 5 candidates at West Point at a time who were accepted under that member of congress's nomination).

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If Maryland is above average, where does that leave California? We have 53 districts + 2 senators...

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I believe the previous poster meant that Maryland was above average with regards to the number of appointments for the number of congressional districts.

8. ### MemberLGMember

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MD with 10 MOCs but sends 30+ a year, which is 20 plus

so for CA, 55 + (20 or more) will make it above average.

My RC told me the admissions office has a formula to calculate if a state is sending its fair share of cadets to West Point. Maryland does hence why he doesn't put too much recruiting effort in MD.

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a lil secret, shhhh!

A southern California county, very competitive, sent 35 to the Class of 2016. The Class of 2015, 24. The Class of 2014 19. The math does not add up from an area that has 8 MOCs. The secret is unused seats from other states go to very high competive areas. The candidates are some of the best in every aspect.

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Tug Boat

My district in Southern California normally gets 5-6 people in West Point with only one slot per year from the Congressman. These are very highly qualified people who get appointments from unused slots from other Congressional Districts from other states. Others are activated from the National Waiting List as super-highly qualfied candidates.

Unfortunately there are some congressmen who do not nominate anyone due to poor candidates or in some cases - or because they are anti-military. The young men and women in these districts are being denied a great opportunity due to the political beliefs of their congressmen.

This year in my Congressional District we have 35 West Point applicants for two slots. At least 8-10 of these are top candidates. In this district it is much easier to get in the AFA or the Naval Academy than West Point. I am sure this is reversed in other Congressional Districts.

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It may appear that way, but what it sounds like you are describing is illegal.
You have to be a legal resident of the district to get that district's slot.
The unused seats from other districts are used as slots for the NWL.

In general, those on a MOC slate that do not get the MOC's slot will go on the NWL (if fully qualified) and compete for a slot from there (unless they get a slot from another source, like a Presidential nom).

There are about 15-20 MOCs who don't nominate for various reasons.

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What are some examples of various reasons?

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Unfortunately there are some congressmen who do not nominate anyone. It is difficult to know exactly why they do not nominate anyone - every congressman probably has their own reasons. However, I think their reasons are either they have poor (or no) candidates or in most cases because they are anti-military. They probably are reacting against some war or some military policy etc. The young men and women in these districts are being denied a great opportunity due to the political beliefs of their congressmen.

These slots go to to the National Waiting List and are awarded to highly qualified candidates on that list- the slots are not wasted.

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Ditto what BigNick said as to why some MOCs don't nominate-
1) no candidates in their district applied for a nom
2) candidates that did apply are not qualified
3) political reasons (anti-war, anti-military)

I've heard of some MOCs that repeatedly don't nominate and did a little Google search and found this: http://tinyurl.com/ycvozac. Note: this is from 2009.

While some anti-war/military MOCs nominate few to the SAs - is it for reasons #1 and #2 stated above and not for #3 solely?

In reality - probably a combo of all as some of these MOCs who nominate few, do little to spread the word of the wonderful opportunities that the SAs offer a young person - which is a disservice to their constituents.

MOCs should educate their constituents about the opportunities that the SAs offer with such events like Academy Days and then let the kid decide if that it what they want to pursue.
Some kids have never heard of West Point. They don't even know that it is a possibility for them. There are college counselors in our high schools who have never heard of West Point.
I can't speak for the other SAs, but West Point has an extensive outreach program to spread the word to underrepresented areas.
West of the Mississippi tends to be the least knowledgeable about West Point.

How sad would it be for a potential great officer to be in a school or Congressional district that did not educate them on what SAs are and the opportunities that they offer.

Just my .02 ~

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always have to account for Presidential nominations (sons and daughters of military service members) and recruited athletes.

16. ### buff81Moderator

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And also LOAs - which require that you only need a nom and don't have to win the vacancy to get an appointment.

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