Discussion in 'Naval Academy - USNA' started by Northstream, Sep 1, 2011.
1 from my plebes platoon, has/will there been info released?
This info typically is not released "publicly." They may tell BGOs during training how many plebes left during PS or how many left during the entire year. However, only a small percentage of BGOs attend training each year.
It's not really important in the long run. Attrition rates have decreased in recent years.
Not fully confident of accuracy, but 26 from Plebe Summer ... as the pendulum continues to swing back from the previous regime.
as in more or less harsh? numbers greater than last recent years ?
greater/higher. Nearly 2X as many departing as in Fowler's "peak" season when I think there were 15. Now, again, w/ 60% increase in candidates, one would think this should be lower, or steady state.
Plebes continue to fall so lets not count just yet. Unfortunately a classmate of mine just DORed today.
I DOR'd on I-Day.
do you mind me asking if you have any regrets? what was the impetus? did you attend NASS/CVW?
The key is what your plebe is doing and if he/she feels that they are in the right place for them. Does not matter what anybody else decideds to do.
Midshipman in each class year voluntarily leave or are seperated from the Academy on a regular basis.
Plebe and Youngster years have lots of kids make the decision the Academy and military life is just not for them. Academics and honors violations claim their share.
Second Class and Firsty years - Academics and Honors violations continue to claim students. This process continues up until graduation day.
Bottom line your current plebe will graduate with roughly 925-1000 of his/her classmates. I'm estimating these numbers a bit lower than the last few classes as honors offense standards have been tightened up in the past couple of years.
Ding! Ding! Ding!
Not sure of the purpose of this thread - does it make one smug? relieved? annoyed?
It matters not who or how many depart. Regardless of how many apply and are appointed there is an attrition rate - accept it and move forward.
This post seems a little uncalled for. The kid left, so what? He might still have something to add.
When I was a junior and senior, I was on here asking questions. So I felt that I should give back to these forums by providing answers to applicants.
Would you mind sharing your experience and reasons for leaving?
If the above poster is willing to share his experiences publicly (which is entirely his choice to do or not do), please treat that decision -- and his reasons -- with respect.
No Smugness Here
I started this thread so potential candidates could learn more about USNA. My plebe has not talked of coming home, although her room mate did leave last week.
All the plebes in her company are affected, perhaps because maybe every one has had a tiny internal voice whispering to them. Being a mid is hard, very hard apparently, 85% [?] make it through.
Mine did SS, visit weekend and read all she could, she was still unprepared. I just think kids/parents/families need all the perspective they can get.
Go Navy/Beat Army
I think all cadets from all the academies cross this bridge at some point during there 4/C year. My daughter is at USAFA and she would say, though after recognition training, that everyone thinks about leaving and if they say they didn't they aren't being completely truthful. There is a difference though as to those who act on it. It is very much a "one day at a time mentality" through that first year. I am not sure if you can prepare for it, some days are just worse than others. The one piece of advice I came across last year that I passed on to my daughter was: If you decide you must leave, then you must leave on a good day when everything is going right. You must never make the decision to leave on a bad day, as it could be relative and you would not want to make a decision that could affect the rest of your life on just a bad day. Basically, I guess if they are all bad days, then you cross that bridge at the point where you can not take it anymore.
By the way DD is not athletically gifted and has sure had plenty of times when things weren't good, but she did stick it out and felt very accomplished after Recognition training in the Spring. Not sure if all Academies have the Recognition training or not, but it is like BCT all over again in the Spring for 3-4 days.
The reality is the many many freshmen at colleges all over the country drop out. This is not unique to the Service Academies. It happens every year and it's not really a reflection of the Academy being *easier* or *tougher*.
Try not to make a big deal about it to your own kids - especially if they are oldest/only children who have never seen an older sibling fly the nest.
There are reasons too many to count and circumstance that are highly individual - to judge or dwell on it is a mistake.
Maybe I am missing your point, but it seems like you are trying to compare a student who drops out of an ordinary college/university to a Cadet/MIDN who drops out of a S.A. You can't compare apples and oranges.
What university/college starts screaming at you during "orientation?" What college fills your plate up, TELLS you what to do, punishes you for non-ordinary offenses? Point is this all adds up to stress, not found at other colleges. Even a plebe who drops out of week one, confronts the challenge of stress.
For those that can't handle the stress, then they will decide to leave. If they make that "informed" decision (see previous poster who talked about leaving for the right reasons) then no shame on them, S.A.s aren't for everyone.
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