How much influence does an FFR have?

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  1. candidate2014

    candidate2014 Member

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    Hello!

    I'm posting this mostly out of waiting anxiety, but how much influence does a FFR have? When I completed my file, my FFR told me I had an excellent chance of receiving an appointment and was very optimistic about me. I received an LOE back in October. Could anyone tell me how accurate an FFR's opinion is? I'm sorry I'm doubting my FFR, he's a swell guy and I trust him but I'm super nervous and eager to receive an appointment haha.
     
  2. 845something

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    First, unlike other SA, West Point does not put any points towards your interview when totaling your WCS. The FFR does not have a primary role in the selection process that is meant to be as objective as possible. With that said, your FFR can have a positive effect on your chances in that their support will keep your file on the mind of the RC. Because of how the selection works in accordance with Congressional law, it can't make your RC chose you for appointment over someone else if they meet all the qualifications. It can in the case of non-selection boost your chances of getting a civil prep offer. On the negative side, if you present yourself poorly to your FFR, that word will get back to your RC. Instead of looking for how to best support a qualification, they may look for ways to disqualify you. These cases are very rare. Most of the applicants present themselves very well to their FFR. Think of it as a bell curve - if you are in the middle, no real impact. If you are out on either tail, it can really help or hurt you.

    Second, the primary role of the FFR is meant to be a guide through the process and to be a mentor. They are there to be a local contact you can turn to for support/advice on the admissions process, life at West Point, and service in the Army. Of course, each has a different perspective (recent grad, old grad, parent...) and different amount of commitments (as volunteers, they can easily be overcome by their own work requirements, or might be filling a really large area that keeps them from being the most responsive). I think this is where the FFR has their most influence - helping the good candidates get through the complex process in a manner that has proven successful in the past, helping candidates decide if a service academy (or even service) is right for them, and steering bad candidates out of the process (or at least making sure that they focus on Navy instead of West Point). They also become the link to the parents club so that Mom and Dad have an outlet to ask their questions to.

    Third, given all the above, often times FFR will sit on a MOC's nomination committee and then they have significant influence in your chances of an appointment. A good FFR that is on a (or several) nominating committees can work with the representative to maximize the use of those nominations to get as many candidates as possible into WP. Then, if you are that candidate that is really strong, but maybe not so much on paper, your FFR can help you gain an appointment by swaying the MOC to give a principal nomination.

    So onto your second question of how accurate your FFR's statement is...and the answer is it depends: when did they tell you that/when did you complete your file, how many candidates that you are competing with have finished since, how much have you updated your file, how knowledgeable is your FFR (you may be the strongest candidate they cover in their part of a district, but they don't know the other candidates you are competing against)... As always, the LOE is a good sign, but it is not a guarantee. There are too many variables that go into how West Point MUST select a candidate to boil it down to one thing is a make or break. Patience and a solid Plan B is the medicine to calm your nerves at this point.
     
  3. candidate2014

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    Thanks for all the information! One last question, my FFR said that I indeed passed my CFA, but I haven't heard back from West Point yet about a 3Q, which is a little nerve wrecking. Did I indeed pass my CFA, or could my FFR be wrong?
     
  4. buff81

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    The Candidate profile that the FFRs have access to will show if you paased the CFA and if you are Medically qualifed and if you are academically qualified.
    Therfore - they can tell you if you are 3q'd.
    Just ask!
     
  5. jackiejyp7

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    I do know, since I was accepted and my file was reviewed, that your interview with your FFR is considered at the end of file review. I'm sure it adds extra points, but if no points it still acts as if it would.


    Jackie, USMA USAFA USMMA Candidate for Class of 2018
    Principally Nominated to USMA & USAFA
    Appointed to USMA and USAFA
    USMA Class of 2018
     
  6. dell

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    Our FFR said that the interview does add extra points.
     
  7. buff81

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    FACT: There are no WCS points for the interview, per se. The interview is not like activities, test scores, sports involvement, etc that have X number of points associated with them.

    WHY: Not every candidate can be interviewed because not every candidate has a FFR that can interview them. Therefore, the interview is not a requirement for admission.

    BUT: There can be WCS bonus points given for information that comes out in the interview. Something unique that doesn't show up in the application process.

    ALSO: The RC takes into account the opinion that the FFR has of the candidate.

    CONCLUSION: The interview in and of itself, does not have X number of points attributed to it but extra points can be given for information that comes out during the interview.
     
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    I will never know how influence I have as a FFR but on two occasions, my RC asked me for my recommendations on two candidates. The end result was same as my recommendations.
     
  9. ca2midwestmom

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    This is what we were told. DS was never able to get in touch with his assigned FFR (turns out he was out of the country). DS never interviewed with anyone during the application process and was told by admissions that an interview is not required. DS received an LOE after SLE and subsequently an appointment in January.

    Bottomline, if you are not able to interview with your FFR, you won't be penalized. If you do have an interview, make the most of it.
     

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