HS Graduation Program

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  1. NAPSDAD

    NAPSDAD Parent

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    My son has been accepted to NAPS. Should he have NAPS listed in his graduation programm or USNA. :confused:
     
  2. oldgrad

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    If there is a presentation ceremony where the BGO will present the appointment, ask him. Either would be correct and more people are aware of USNA than NAPS. Catch my drift? But, to be safe, get the BGO input.
     
  3. kaullman

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    How One BGO Handled It

    Good idea.

    Check with your BGO as she/he may have a differing view.

    At one school, I presented an acceptance to NAPS class of '09 and an appointment to the USNA class of 2012. As part of the presentation, I mentioned that NAPS was "in line for" a spot in the class of 2013.
     
  4. parkhurst89

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    I have done a similar presentation, mentioning the student has been selected into a five-year program that included one-year the the Naval Academy Prep School and four-years at the Naval Academy. I think in the program it listed the student as receiving an appointment to USNA.
     
  5. scotland

    scotland New Member

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    I have a question about Senior Awards Day and how much money my daughter's West Point attendance is worth in terms of scholarship money.
    Thank you for any help you can provide.
     
  6. Maximus

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    Hi and welcome to the site. Congratulations on your daughter getting a West Point Appointment!

    This question has been asked many times and there are many opinions. I would say the most reasonable dollar assessment would be in the $400,000 range. I've read that the Prep School adds another $70,000 to the total.
     
  7. scotland

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    Maximus,
    Thank you for your prompt reply! I was talking to the counselor at her high school and she wanted some kind of dollar amount for her records. Is it documented somewhere how much WP is worth?
    Thank you for your help. This is still somewhat overwhelming to us.
     
  8. Maximus

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    http://www.getintoacademy.com/34/a-west-point-education-is-worth-5-million-dollars/

    A West Point Education Is Worth .5 Million Dollars
    You thought Harvard’s yearly tuition (without room and board) of $34,000 was expensive? Or how about the most expensive college in the United States at a rate of $38,000 per year? Then you will be surprised to hear that the service academies’ tuition far surpasses that of any civilian college or university.

    For a particular example, the four years of experience at the United States Military Academy at West Point are estimated to be worth $478,000. Producing leaders for the US Army is a very expensive process. Is the investment worth it? Yes, because these future officers protect all American citizens from endangerment and chaos. Also keep in mind that this annual figure of about $120,000 includes everything such as tuition, room & board, and other miscellaneous fees described below.

    Military training, intramural activities, and travel
    Accumulated pay of about $10,000 per year for being in the Army
    Medical and dental care
    Uniforms, clothing, books, computers, and pretty much everything else that is necessary to attend the Academy
    Laundry and haircuts
    After graduation, West Point also pays for graduate school
    Many candidates applying to West Point may see these numbers and think, “Great! I’m getting half a million dollars’ worth of education for free!” You are mistaken if you think that a USMA education is free, because you will be paying it off with at least 8 years of service after graduation.

    Also remember that West Point is not a college in the sense that you graduate and receive a diploma with no more strings attached. The purpose of the USMA is its famous leadership development program. The four years consist of strenuous academics, physical training, and military training, and a cadet must excel in all three areas to succeed. A Bachelor’s Degree from West Point is a perk because there is much more to it than that.
     
  9. Just_A_Mom

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    The "tuition" at USMA is really only about "26,000" per year. The expense comes in the training and upkeep of the facilities. There are thousands of acres of land at West Point and bringing in troops for training is expensive.

    I wouldn't say that www.getintoacademy.com is the definitive source - though the number does sound close. You should ask your MALO or your Regional Commander.
     
  10. scotland

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    Thank you for your help! It is much appreciated.
     
  11. weathermom

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    When my daughter got her USAFA appointment letter it stated that it was valued at $403,000. I believe that is motivation not to get senioritis....
    I would think the other academies would be the same.....huh.. in about 2 years when inflation hits.. it will probably be $850,000 range.. :eek:
     
  12. Maximus

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    I've found different numbers for the actual "tuition" portion in many places. One is this article below from The Military Times, quotes out of news stories here and figures I've read in the book "Absolutely American"

    My best guess is about $40,000-$50,000 a year tuition, from what the Army has demanded from past contemporary Cadets. As you know, if a Cadet is kicked out after the first day of cow year commitment, they owe. Now this could be wrong, and as you'll see in the article below, it might be $114,000 a year when you consider that you're allowed to quit with no commitment after two years, like this case, the guy failed his PFT and was forced out after three full years. Again, the numbers vary and who knows how they estimate it.

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    Ex-Cadet Sues West Point for Tuition
    Dallas Morning News | May 15, 2007
    A former West Point cadet from Dallas has sued the Defense Department in federal court to stop the government from demanding tuition after he was kicked out for not running fast enough.

    Charles Chesnutt Jr., a law student at Southern Methodist University, said in the lawsuit that he enrolled at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point in the fall of 1998.

    After he couldn't pass the running test, he was asked to leave in spring 2001 and honorably discharged from the Army, he said.

    But in 2006, Mr. Chesnutt received a letter from the Defense Department demanding that he pay about $114,000 for his three-year education. The letter said the Army had determined that Mr. Chesnutt failed the test on purpose, according to the lawsuit.

    West Point cadets receive free tuition in exchange for at least five years of active-duty service and three years in the reserves.

    Mr. Chesnutt said he gave the Army a medical report showing he had problems with his knees.

    "He wanted to stay, and he thought he could pass the test," said Charles Chesnutt Sr., his father and attorney, who called the government's contention "patently ridiculous."

    "He had just committed himself to be a career officer," he said about his son.

    Defense Department spokeswoman Cynthia Smith said the military has a policy of not commenting on pending lawsuits.

    Sound Off...What do you think? Join the discussion

    "
     
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  13. Just_A_Mom

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    MEA CULPA!!!

    my bad. I should know better than to post "off the top of my head".

    The Official Tuition per semester for 2008 was $25,786. Or just over $51,000/year.
    If one is separated after they are committed this is the amt they would use for repayment. Room and board is about $5000/year.
    The rest of the over $400,000 is for the training.
    Cadets pay for all their uniforms, gear, laundry and other "issued" items.
     
  14. flieger83

    flieger83 Super Moderator Moderator

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    Hi all!

    Okay...from the USAFA perspective, the numbers we ALO's are given each year vary from between approximately $40k - $350k.

    Why the difference? Glad you asked. So did I.

    I was told that it depends upon what part of the government you ask: GAO or DOD. One includes ALL the costs of the academy, facilities, etc., while the other "exempts" certain other costs as "normal operating costs of a military facility." Of course, this facility wouldn't exist without cadets.

    Hmm...

    So what's the real answer?

    I don't think anyone really knows. I think the numbers are there to "impress" and "wow" the audience, the appointee, the parents, etc. It's a HUGE "scholarship" and the value is truly incalculable as you are afforded SO many opportunities that would otherwise NOT be available. How does one value opportunity? I don't know.

    But if you want a "dollar value" that can be quoted someplace, you'll have to wait for the information we ALO's receive THIS year (USAFA). But last year we were told:

    "The Cost of Education (COE) is approximately $40,000 per year (approximately $160,000 over 4 years). The COE is derived from education costs spread over 4,000 cadets and does not include indirect costs such as flying, parachuting, Air Base support, Admissions, etc. The Cost per Graduate (CPG) is approximately $403,000. This cost is derived using all expenses affiliated with the Academy, including, for example, the cost of airmanship programs, and is divided among the approximately 889 graduates. "

    Hope this helps!

    Steve
    USAFA ALO
    USAFA '83
     
  15. Go_Army

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    We were at West Point for the overnight candidate visit two weeks ago. The admissions major giving the breifing stated that a West Point education is currently valued at $448,000.
     
  16. Maximus

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    See scotland, many opinions but they all usually end up in the $400,000 range. And yes, that's everything, trips to the Army / Navy game and parachuting. Tell the Senior Awards people your daughter received a $400,000 scholarship!
    :thumb:
     

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