HUGE Problem for CGA

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  1. cga82

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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    It has, and it has been discussed. The issue of congressional nominations have too. I also wouldn't agree that this is a HUGE problem, although it is certainly something they have, and still are looking at.

    I wouldn't worry about the congressional nomination piece.


    Sure wish Lt. j.g. Davis had thought about what she was say, I certainly don't remember those sentiments regarding her, or any of my classmates.

    Why do I personally believe the Coast Guard Academy lags? Social economics, plain and simple, the same reason ice hockey lags. That, coupled with the recruiting budget of the Coast Guard (while the Marine Corps recruiting budget is larger than LANTAREA's operating budget, from what I've been told), the Coast Guard has a harder time.

    Blacks aren't being blocked from being accepted. They compete the same as the white, asian, Indian, hispanic, etc students. I would love to see the application numbers, not just for CGA, but for the Coast Guard in general.
     
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    Where was it discussed? Show me the link please.
     
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    Wow, LineInTheSand this article came out a few weeks ago. Don't think it was posted here. I would recommend you read it..A little more a problem then you make it out to be..
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    No, the issue has been discussed, not the article. The article is old news...on a new day.
     
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    I'm sorry but I fail to see how switching to a congressional nomination process would increase the number of minorities that attend.
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    It wouldn't. Would just apply a geographic quota. There is a reason the Coast Guard avoided congressional nominations.....
     
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    Personally, I like CGA's admissions process. The most qualified get in.
     
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    I agree with MorganC. I don't care what ethnicity you are, I want the best people protecting me. Not someone less qualified because the academy is trying to fill a quota.

    As far as the article, I fail to see how their argument about national minority percentage vs. academy minority percentage is a legitimate argument. Women make up a little more than 50% of the US population. So should we change the admission process so 50% of the students are women?
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Good point. In that line of thinking, Rep. Cummins should think about removing the congressional nomination requirements for the other service academies, that way we can get the other service closer to the "high mark" set by CGA for females.
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Called it. :thumb:
     
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    :thumb:Great news. Thanks.
     
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    Increasing diversity is a good idea, but allowing the government to "help" is just a bad idea.

    My two cents...fix education. Then ALL of America's children will be better prepared to apply and succeed at our service academies.

    :smile:
     
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    Let's put it this way.

    There are 535 senators and congressmen.

    There are usually around 400 appointments.

    If every one of the legislators submitted one name for consideration, you would still have a large number of kids missing out.

    There is no guarantee that more qualified minority candidates would emerge with this type of system.

    I have made numerous efforts to get minority kids to even CONSIDER APPLYING to the CGA. It's been an uphill battle.

    I would LOVE to see a more diverse officer corps.

    But congressional appointments aren't the way to accomplish this.
     
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    I guarantee that this will come up again. The Commandants Diversity of Demographics is not being met. If everybody has done all they could then what else can be done? Would more money vice the MOC's be the answer? How much? Time will tell but it ain't going away.
     
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    Congress stays out of Coast Guard Academy picks
    "..it would be likely that the Coast Guard Academy would have more blacks enrolled if Congress members and senators had a say in nominating qualified candidates."

    Are there problems recruiting all URMs or only blacks?
     
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    I'm a minority..and started applying to Coast Guard Academy. As it turns out I was qualified and was urged to finish my application. However, the deciding point was that I want to be in the Army more than I want to be in the Coast Guard.

    In general, the minorities I know that consider service academies don't even consider the Coast Guard (hell, even the non-minorities I know don't consider it). I didn't either (until I learned of their role in federal law enforcement--which is the only thing about the Coast Guard that interests me).

    I would say (although I could be wrong) that in general the Coast Guard has a smaller amount of applicants than the other academies. That, by its very nature, means that less minorities (who are already a small amount of applicants at other academies) will apply.


    I don't think they should place emphasis on getting minorities to go there. And they definitely shouldn't lower standards to allow more minorities to get in. I'm a minority, and was qualified enough to be the most qualified applicant in my district for a nomination to West Point, and also for one of my Senators. It isn't THAT hard to be qualified to or beyond the standard. It simply takes hard work and a motivation towards that particular goal.

    There are a number of reasons why I chose not to go go to CGA. A huge part of it was that I don't know much about the Coast Guard. Second to that (and nearly as huge) is that the number of majors offered by the academy is extremely limited (8 according to the website).

    I ultimately want/ed to major in Mathematical Logic (essentially philosophy), but neither USMA nor CGA offer that major, and CGA didn't have any majors that I'm interested in (at least West Point has an amazing foreign language department--which I'm also really interested in). Combine that with the fact that I might not even get to do what I want to do (so I was told) in the Coast Guard (Boarding Officer) and I was totally uninterested.

    If they really want more minorities they should leave their process the same (the process was a lot simpler and easier than West Point's in my opinion) and create a minority admissions department that works like West Point's. They seek out qualified minorities and then tell them about the academy without being pushy or over-zealous (as some from the Coast Guard were).

    Minorities that meet the standard are out there, it's just that many minorities don't even know about service academies (I didn't until a year before I started West Point).

    They could probably try to get a more diverse selection of majors (although I see how that could be difficult with a limited budget) and offer information on what it's like to actually be in the Coast Guard.

    If I want to know about the Coast Guard, my options are uscg.mil (which is difficult to navigate) and gocoastguard.com. If I go to gocoastguard.com and click on officer opportunities, I get a three sentence blurb that doesn't actually tell me anything about being an officer in the Coast Guard.

    If I want to know about the Army, I can go to Goarmy.com and find lots of information on the jobs that officers do, etc. If I go to goarmy.com/officer I get a comprehensive website that thoroughly explains the various paths to becoming an officer. If I click on career and jobs at the top I get a somewhat detailed description of each job that an officer can hold in the Army.

    If I want to know something about Coast Guard, then I basically have to find it out. If I asked the admissions people at West Point about something, they'll find someone who does it have them contact me.

    So there are a number of factors involved, but I would say that part of it is advertising. I went from nearly enlisting in the Marine Corps reserve to applying and accepting an appointment to West Point.

    I realize that budget is often an issue when it comes to advertising, but there just doesn't seem to be enough information about the Coast Guard floating around out there. Whereas there is plenty about the Army.

    All those factors put together combined with my preference of being in the Army, and I was sold for WP.

    Just my .02
     
  20. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Fair enough.


    We had a discussion in my office the other day about this, just casual.

    I believe the Coast Guard has the same problem recruiting minorities that ice hockey does. Neither is "white only", so why the disparity?

    You answer and then I'll tell you what I think.
     
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