I have heard good teports about the new Doolies

Tigger said:
All the OP wrote was "I have been hearing good things about the new class." Just that one simple statement. How that got turned into making judgments and setting expectations just makes my brain hurt:confused:
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Perhaps I am sort of old school and a bit superstitious (don't jinx a good thing), but do not misread what I was saying either. I just don't think there is reason to think one way or another with any class after only three days. Classes will have their ups and downs, through BCT, though their first year, until graduation. There is no reason to judge them too well after just 72 hours, just as there is no reason to judge them too poorly. It works both ways (had the OP reflected a comment from some cadre that things were not going well, I would have cautioned the same restraint). Been there, done that, for many, many years (Civilian and Military), seen some groups come in with really poor attitudes and turned out to be a solid class, and visa-versa. My comments were not about the basic cadets or the cadre, just that observations as to the nature or progress of the new class can and (in my judgement) should wait a bit. So let's not make this to be something it is not.
 
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falconfamily said:
Perhaps I am sort of old school and a bit superstitious (don't jinx a good thing), but do not misread what I was saying either. I just don't think there is reason to think one way or another with any class after only three days. Classes will have their ups and downs, through BCT, though their first year, until graduation. There is no reason to judge them too well after just 72 hours, just as there is no reason to judge them too poorly. It works both ways (had the OP reflected a comment from some cadre that things were not going well, I would have cautioned the same restraint). Been there, done that, for many, many years (Civilian and Military), seen some groups come in with really poor attitudes and turned out to be a solid class, and visa-versa. My comments were not about the basic cadets or the cadre, just that observations as to the nature or progress of the new class can and (in my judgement) should wait a bit. So let's not make this to be something it is not.
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Again, the OP simply wrote "I have been hearing good things about the new class."

Perhaps you should take your own advice and "not make this to be something it is not." :thumb:
 
Tigger said:
Again, the OP simply wrote "I have been hearing good things about the new class."

Perhaps you should take your own advice and "not make this to be something it is not." :thumb:
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Tigger, good luck to your basic cadet, wish you both the best. But I think you should not take any of this as personal. If you stay on this forum for the next couple of years, you might see that this all makes some sense. Cheers.
 
falconfamily said:
Tigger, good luck to your basic cadet, wish you both the best. But I think you should not take any of this as personal. If you stay on this forum for the next couple of years, you might see that this all makes some sense. Cheers.
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I'm not taking this personally at all:biggrin: I feel sorry for the OP who wrote a nice note and just don't understand the responses to ONE sentence.

Thanks for your good wishes for me and my DD. The same to you and yours:thumb:
 
falconfamily said:
So let's not make this to be something it is not.
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In the end the vast majority of the cadets are going to do well. They always do. Nothing wrong with providing a little positive information.

Jinxing?? You are kidding, right? :scratch:
 
Packer said:
In the end the vast majority of the cadets are going to do well. They always do. Nothing wrong with providing a little positive information.

Jinxing?? You are kidding, right? :scratch:
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I think we left this subject in a good place and I agree with first three sentences of your post. Perhaps you should read my entire post and consider what my point is, it was meant to be a suggestion to temper one's observations early on.
 
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It was a simple statment. How it became an issue is beyond me. I hope your comprehensions skills improve prior to commissioning. Sorry if saying a positive thing about the new class gets under your skin.
 
falconfamily said:
I think we left this subject in a good place and I agree with first three sentences of your post. Perhaps you should read my entire post and consider what my point is, it was meant to be a suggestion to temper one's observations early on.
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I read all of your post on this thread in entirety.

The OP did not say his son indicated this class was the greatest of all time. All he said was from his perspective they were doing well. His positive comment certainly was not a bad thing and no tempering was needed. Most are going to do well and a few will fail. This will continue for the next four years.

Neither one of us is adding anything positive to this thread. I will not be posting further on this.
 
You will have some posters who will question what you say. I have had it done to me. It does get under your skin at times. All in all this class (2017) did well. Its time for care packages and soon to be classes. Good Luck Class of 2017.
 
Overall, the class that arrived with 1,190 cadets in June,
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I didn't realize that they had increased the class size so much from last years ~1050.
 
You know, I've got to think that first AFT is pretty nasty at USAFA in Colorado Springs.

My wife (before we were married) lived in Santa Fe, NM. Santa Fe is 2,000 ft. higher than Denver. Every time I visited her, I would go for a run, hit the hill at my normal pace and after about 100-300 feet REALLY feel the lack of oxygen kick in. Not sure how much acclimation occurs at USAFA before they run, but I know it's harder than we had it at sea level.
 
One of my kids has severe altitude dehydration and had to be hospitalized for a short time (of course, no one told *me*). Within a month or so of A-Day, they were totally used to the altitude/oxygen.

For parents visiting from lowland areas for PW, remember that the altitude may give you headaches, queasy stomach, tiredness, out-of-breath-ness. Give yourself extra time, especially if you have grandma and grandpa with you.
 
My son found running at sea level quite refreshing during his summer break. He asked me what we do with all this oxygen down here!:confused::confused:
 
I think it was caused by a mix of altitude and the fatigue from the first few days of physical training during BCT. I ran a 9:48 AFT at the Prep School, but ran a 10:27 AFT during the first part of basic training after a summer full of daily conditioning. However, after acclimating to the altitude again, my second AFT time during basic training was around 9:32.
 
LFry94 said:
I think it was caused by a mix of altitude and the fatigue from the first few days of physical training during BCT. I ran a 9:48 AFT at the Prep School, but ran a 10:27 AFT during the first part of basic training after a summer full of daily conditioning. However, after acclimating to the altitude again, my second AFT time during basic training was around 9:32.
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Congrats C4C! You beat the Beast. Good to hear from you again.
 
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