I posted in the USMMA forum but prob is germain to this forum as well.

Discussion in 'Nominations' started by Swabthedecks, Mar 31, 2015.

  1. Swabthedecks

    Swabthedecks Member

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    Comment for discussion: Some MOC don't get the nomination process. Why would they leave their slate completely empty if there are qualified applicants? Ignorance? Parochialism? Case in point after checking with VA MOC to see if they would nominate USMMA candidates outside their congressional district, they responded yes. Packaged was assembled and overnighted to MOC in Oct. On March 26 they published list of nominees. DS not on list, in fact no one was nominated to USMMA from the district. I think they just don't get it. They must believe that they are Judge, Jury and Executioner. BTW never received email nor letter stating any reason why a nom was not granted. I am attempting to close with MOC to see their side of story- confused as they may be.
     
  2. kphopeful2019

    kphopeful2019 Member

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    That's very frustrating. Hope something works out in the end
     
  3. forumjunkie

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    So if I understand what you are saying, in a State that is not competitive, lets say wyoming just for an example. if there are extra Nominations available they can give them to a candidate from another state?

    I have been helping other kids besides my own, trying to learn as many tricks as possible.
     
  4. kinnem

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    Only for the Merchant Marine Academy
     
  5. flieger83

    flieger83 Super Moderator Moderator

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    There is the "off chance" that this specific MOC ran afoul what a good ALO or B&GO that works with their nominating committee tries very hard to prevent: too many on campus. Now what do I mean?

    Under 10USC each MOC is allowed to have a maximum of 5 "designated" appointees at any service academy at any one time. So let's say they have a two seniors, and one each junior, sophomore, and freshman, as the cycle begins. They can nominate up to 20 kids for appointment as the cycle ends and the two seniors graduate. That would give them 5 at the academy. The key is to nominate only to replace. If perhaps they had 2 Juniors and 3 sophomores, then they won't be able to nominate anyone until the juniors are seniors. That leaves at least one year with no nominations.

    **NOTE: by "designated" I mean "credited to that MOC by name" as opposed to one of their nominees that was a qualified alternate but was appointed. With one opening, there will be 10 nominations, but only one can be selected as the "designated" appointee. However if several of the other 9 are "just that good" the academy can appoint them and they are in, but not "designated" by name to the MOC. It's convoluted...

    I had the honor of working in my MOC's board board for 8 years and for a year with my senator. As the ALO advisor, I worked very closely with the staff to ensure we always had at least one nomination available each year.

    Perhaps they "oops'd" the numbers for USMMA?

    Steve
    USAFA ALO
    USAFA '83
     
  6. forumjunkie

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    Is it too late now for a Nomination? In Tennessee, my congressman (Woman) gave my son an unsolicited Nomination. I was told at the awards ceremony that they offered them to some other's and they declined to apply. So that would indicate that had unused Nominations.

    We did apply, and were very grateful for the honor. They ask for your first and second choice so we could only ask for 2.
     
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    Have all the first round selections gone out? I assumed they went out long ago, and that my DS is on the bench.
     
  8. Swabthedecks

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    I check with them and, as I suspected, they don't get it. They offered little reason for non-selection and danced around the issue of "he is not from our district". Staffers are not doing the MOC good service. They haven't had a MMA appointee ever. It no wonder since they don't understand their role. Oh well, its just a country district and DS got two other noms.
     
  9. beyond

    beyond KπΣ15'

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    Which they have every right to do! The MOC wants to work for his constituency. It could be twisted politically down the road by the press or a political opponent to make is seem as if the MOC is working against their own district, despite the fact that no else applied. There are much worse reasons that could have been given.
     
  10. Swabthedecks

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    Really? What if that candidate had no other nominations and he/she was a diversity candidate? How would that person be able to get an opportunity to go to prep? "working against their own district" is fiction.
     
  11. beyond

    beyond KπΣ15'

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    Pretty simply, according to the CFRs then they can't attend. They'll be in the same boat as all the other people who don't get nom'd.

    Being a diversity candidate should have absolutely zero bearing on anything else...but if KP wants you bad enough they'll use one of the secretaries picks to get you in.

    It's easy for someone who isn't a MOC to say that. If it is such an issue you could chose not to vote for them.
     
  12. Swabthedecks

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    Say what? Diversity has nothing to do with it? The academies would say differently. I am not sure I understand the secretaries pick. I don't disagree that MOCs can do what they want I am saying they should do what is proper. Getting as many candidates in front of the selection folks should be most advantages to the district or state. Why would you not fill voids with qualified candidates? As I said the MOC didn't understand the opportunity provided to candidates. You say leave the slate blank, I say fill it with the qualified applicants that met all the requirements and deadlines. Remember they stated that they would accept candidates from outside their district.
     

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