If not slected from slate

Admissions has until at least I-Day, if not longer, to "charge" each class, which means Admissions can "move" nominations around to meet the legal requirements.
Say, if candidate #1 declined on May 1st (and Admissions already determined that this was the "slate winner") and candidate #2, who was on that slate, was selected from the national pool for an appointment on April 25th; Admissions could possibly go back and charge that MOC with candidate #2 and then admit another candidate off the wait list.

Trying to determine appointments based off the "charging" of a class is a bad idea. As Admission Counselors put it -- the charging process is like Chinese math and it is something that candidates should not worry about or try to figure out (this was the exact words from an Admissions Counselor to a candidate at a USNA Admissions Forum and for this particular counselor, he added that the only thing a candidate needs to worry about is applying to all nomination sources and attempting to obtain their nomination -- nothing more and nothing less.
 
Angie9715 said:
I believe what candidate1997 is asking is... if a MOC nominates 1 principle and 9 others, and the principle nominee is DQ'ed, does USNA appoint the next person on the MOC's list, or do those 9 other people go onto the NWL and no one is charged to that MOC's slate that year?

I'm no expert, but I assume that they would go with the next qualified candidate on the list, assuming the list is ranked. If the list is not ranked, they would probably just choose the strongest candidate. That's my best guess, but I'm just a HS student, so I wouldn't trust my answer very much. A BGO could probably give a more accurate answer.
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This exact question was aced by the director of admissions at USMA and they stated that they must offer the appointment to the next highest ranked nominee from the MOC's slate. I would guess they do the same at USNA. Just a guess.
 
It all depends on how the slate was submitted. Principle and ranked(by MOC)alternates or Principle and unranked(by MOC)alternates.
If first slate type and priciple gets DQ'd, next fully qualified alt gets it, If second, USNA pics
Remember, other fully qualified candidates can go into NWL and still get appointments from there.
 
MJP said:
It all depends on how the slate was submitted. Principle and ranked(by MOC)alternates or Principle and unranked(by MOC)alternates.
If first slate type and priciple gets DQ'd, next fully qualified alt gets it, If second, USNA pics
Remember, other fully qualified candidates can go into NWL and still get appointments from there.
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I was told it does not matter if it was principle or not. I think the original questions was if the slate is ranked by the academy from 1-10. #1 candidate delines does the academy go to candidate #2 or the NWL.
According to USMA they would go to the #2 candidate.
The law does state (according again to USMA admissions representative) 535 candidates will be charged to MOC's. This is assuming there is a candidate nominated. If there is that a candidate from MOC they will be offered an appointment.
Then (other services i.e.. SEC Navy Presidential, etc 355) Then NWL approx. 400.
The MOC's will have 535 charged to them. The other services and NWL can fluctuate in number.
 
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I was told it does not matter if it was principle or not. I think the original questions was if the slate is ranked by the academy from 1-10. #1 candidate delines does the academy go to candidate #2 or the NWL.
According to USMA they would go to the #2 candidate.
The law does state (according again to USMA admissions representative) 535 candidates will be charged to MOC's. This is assuming there is a candidate nominated. If there is that a candidate from MOC they will be offered an appointment.
Then (other services i.e.. SEC Navy Presidential, etc 355) Then NWL approx. 400.
The MOC's will have 535 charged to them. The other services and NWL can fluctuate in number.
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Parent:

Sorry you got miffed the other day and said you were done with the Forum.

Glad you are back.

The information you posted is incorrect - particularly in regard to the number of appointments charged to Congress (it is more than 535 in a typical year) and in other substantial areas as well.

I would encourage anyone trying to actually understand the nomination and appointment process read the following document prepared for Congress by its own research arm - the Congressional Research Service - which is the most recent overview (2012) of the process:

http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33213.pdf
 
bubalma - Thanks for posting this...I remember reading it last year. One thing I noted is footnote (c) under table 1. The Congressional research note says:

c.) The service secretary for USMA is the Secretary of the Army; USNA, Secretary of the Navy; and USAFA, Secretary of the Air Force. In addition to their numerical categorical nominating authority, military branch secretaries are also authorized, when the annual quota of cadets is not met, to appoint any qualified applicant who did not receive a nomination from any other nominating authority.

In 10 US Code Section 6956 it says (where qualified alternates under paragraphs (2) through (8) of section 6954 refers to Senators, Reps, VP, Washington DC, Puerto Rico, Guam, US VI):

(b)If it is determined that, upon the admission of a new class to the Academy, the number of midshipmen at the Academy will be below the authorized number, the Secretary may fill the vacancies by nominating additional midshipmen from qualified candidates designated as alternates and from other qualified candidates who competed for nomination and are recommended and found qualified by the Academic Board. At least three-fourths of those nominated under this subsection shall be from qualified alternates under paragraphs (2) through (8) of section 6954(a) of this title, and the remainder shall be from qualified candidates who competed for appointment under any other provision of law. An appointment of a nominee under this subsection is an additional appointment and is not in place of an appointment otherwise authorized by law.

Is it just me or doesn't this mean that SecNav can appoint as many as needed to fill the target class size?
 
I was told by my Senator's office that the next qualified nominee on their slate will get the appointment. The list is ranked. I am number 3 they told me. So I do not have a lot of hope. I am also on the slates of my Congresswoman and my other Senator, and their lists are not ranked.
 
Kansaskid1, you have a lot more hope than candidates in states who only get one nomination because their Senators and Congressmen share information and want to nominate as many candidates as possible.
 
Yes. You are right. I should have been clearer. I did not see third as a good spot on the Senators list. I know I still have a chance for the others.
What will be, will be.
I have done everything I can.
 
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