Immunization question

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  1. chewyoatmeal

    chewyoatmeal Member

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    Im assuming this is a lost cause but i might as well ask,

    I have never been immunized in my life, and by never I mean nothing. I happen to have excellent health (I have taken one antibiotic pill in my entire life) and quite literally get sick for maybe one day a year with anything more than simply a small cold. Is there any way to get the immunizations waived? I really don't want to waste days preparing for beast with the side affects of shots.
     
  2. chewyoatmeal

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    if not I will start getting them, West Point is my number one goal lol
     
  3. Just_A_Mom

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    Roll up your sleeve. Certain immunizations are required for service in the military - this is not only for your protection but for your fellow service member's protection. No waiver.

    You need to make an appointment and begin your shots now, otherwise you will get stuck on R-Day. You also will probably find the side effects will not be as severe as you think.
     
  4. Weather

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    Chewy, First of all, congratulations on your good health! I agree with JAM and suggest you start getting immunized now: it may take some time for your body to build up antibodies after a shot, and other immunizations require a series of shots administered over time.
     
  5. Luigi59

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    Vaccines have kept troops healthy since the days of George Washington.

    • George Washington protected his troops from smallpox in 1777 using a forerunner of vaccination called “variolation”. We lost the Battle of Quebec in 1776, because our troops weren't protected against smallpox. Americans suffered 5,500 smallpox casualties among 10,000 colonial troops. The task force commander, Major General John Thomas, died of smallpox.

    • From 1777 to today, vaccines prevented American troops from dangerous infections. Typhoid vaccine reduced typhoid casualties from 20,000 in Spanish-American War of 1898 to just 1,500 in World War I. During all of World War II, only 12 cases of tetanus occurred among vaccinated US troops, but numerous tetanus deaths occurred among the unvaccinated Germany Army (Wehrmacht).

      [*]Vaccines are among the most important accomplishments in medicine. Vaccines have saved more lives throughout the world than any other medical invention. Vaccines have saved more lives than antibiotics or surgery. Only clean water has saved more lives than vaccines.

    • Immunization and its history in the U.S. Armed Forces is discussed in greater detail in an article entitled Immunization to Protect the U.S. Armed Forces: Heritage, Current Practice, Prospects.

    MILVAX - www.vaccines.mil
     
  6. kp2001

    kp2001 USMMA Alumnus

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    Shot waivers - never heard of 'em

    Just wait until you get to go on deployments and get things like Anthrax and Smallpox vaccinations.

    This is one of those small sacrifices one has to make in order to serve in the military. I highly recommend starting now because there are various "schedules" that will have to be followed.
     
  7. snakken

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    do NOT vaccinate

    Hey chewy
    With regular military BEFORE you sign up you can get a waiver from vaccines but NOT after..............I don't know how it is with service academy

    There is a religious vaccine waiver
    We suggest that it is stipulated that you will get NO vaccine upon signing up or you won't sign up.

    To get them all at once as the military does could do you serious harm.
    Even one is dangerous


    We work with a lot of military who have vaccine injury - from any or all of them and especially anthrax vaccine

    West Point and all is NOT worth ruining your health. I can put you in contact with many military who are injured who wish they hadn't sacrificed their health

    Email me privately at vaccinedangers@gmail.com

    Sheri Nakken, RN MA
     
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    more info on vaccination waiver

    10. Immunization requirements for soldiers are described in AR 40-562. Soldiers whose religious practices conflict with the requirements of AR 40-562 may request temporary waivers of immunization requirements through command channels. AR 40-562 grants surgeons general authority to waive immunization requirements in cases of religious objections to immunizations under certain circumstances. Waiver approval authority is retained by appropriate MACOM medical authority and waivers from private physicians are not authorized. (See AR 40-562, para 13.1, 13.4-13.64)
    http://www.gordon.army.mil/eoo/reliprac.htmmore

    email me and I will give you contacts to help with this

    Sheri Nakken, RN, MA
    vaccinedangers@gmail.com
     
  9. Luigi59

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    Are you suggesting a fabricated (honor? integrity?) or false claim of religious exemption to avoid a vaccination?

    Nonsense. Vaccines have saved more lives in history than any other medical procedure.

    Every medical procedure has risks, I'm sure we can find at least one person who has had adverse reactions to a band-aid or someone allergic to a thermometer.

    To ignore the risks of widespread disease or illness on military readiness is irresponsible and dangerous.
     
  10. snakken

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    Proof that vaccines have saved lives

    their religious exemption is broad and would not be lying

    AND prove to me that vaccines have saved lives - just because the drug companies and associated CDC and FDA say so.

    I am an RN - originally pediatrics, graduating in 1971
    I started to see the harm of vaccines on children and started researching myself and what I found was horrifying.

    So 27 years later................studying this issue all this time I have found that:
    1. No vaccine gives immunity ever
    2. All vaccines cause harm on some level - symptoms are either immediate or delayed
    3. We have tried minor acute illness for chronic illness which is now rampant in our children and adults
    4. deaths from the childhood diseases had already declined to nearly none when each vaccine came out

    http://www.healthsentinel.com/ - see graphs

    (if webpage down or unable to find them, go here http://web.archive.org/web/20080611104923/http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php)

    So to summarize:

    I have become convinced of:
    1. The absolute dangers of ALL vaccines - danger to immune system and health of the person - from the additives, ingredients and the vaccine itself and for how it affects the immune system by being altered and injected
    2. The error in thinking that has led to the concept of vaccination - that it DOES NOT give you immunity and does not protect you from diseases - in fact - makes you more susceptible in many cases to the disease vaccinated for and especially for others. And what if we need to get these illnesses to develop our immune systems.
    3. The fear of disease instilled in us is UNREALISTIC and for scare tactics only to sell vaccine.
    4. The vaccine companies have no concern for your safety, only for their profits (they are not liable for their product anymore in the US - and it doesn't appear they are in the UK either)
    5. More and more companies are getting in on the lucrative game - especially genetically engineered vaccines (of which hep b vax is one - one of the most dangerous ones - they think because no actual virus in it there is no problem - HAH!)
    6. The government complicity with the vaccine companies - most on the committees approving and mandating vaccines have financial ties to the drug companies
    7. No independent research done to speak of -all research done by those biased toward sale of their product - others who want to do independent research are shut out - don't get funded, lose their labs etc.
    8. our only hope is one by one, person to person, sharing this information. We will not get the truth out of government or drug companies or physicians
    9. More and more physicians are pimps for the drug companies (knowingly and UNknowingly). Physicians are taught not to question in their brainwashing that is known as medical school/education. In fact, it is even going further - they are now part of what I see as a gestapo-like situation - actually pushing vaccines and refusing to see people, in the US, that don't vaccinate and using intimidation and fear to get people to vaccinate - something I NEVER saw in my pediatric experience in the 70's (you may have heard the stories on the lists I moderate and I get emails everyday about this terror they instill in people, especially in the US).
    10. the fact that there is NO way to safely take vaccines - one at a time, when a child is older, using herbs or homeopathy during or after, etc. This is like trying to say you can safely use a nuclear weapon
    11. there is NO safe vaccine nor can there ever be - same as finding a safe nuclear weapon, again.
    12. the only thing you can do after the fact of getting the vaccine is use homeopathic treatment with an expert homeopath to sometimes undo the damage - but this is not guaranteed - some damage is unfixable and also depends on finding an excellent homeopath and the exact right remedy.
    13. they know VERY LITTLE about the immune system - especially the immune system of an infant
    14. we have traded acute illnesses (in most cases) for HUGE NUMBERS of chronic, long term illness in children and adults
    15. the need to let go of fear about these diseases and learn ways to enhance your child's immune system - breastfeed as long as possible, organic foods, pure water, healthy living environment, happy & peaceful family situation, etc. This is the best you can do for your child and then they will most likely handle any disease that comes their way - we are all exposed all the time to bacteria and viruses - for the most part they don't make us ill. We are already ill and then they can take hold.
    16. the need to find alternative practitioners - classical homeopath, naturopath, chiropractor etc., so that you are prepared with help when and if your child becomes ill
    17. that most UNVACCINATED children RARELY become extremely ill - this is my observation in the years of working with this issue and people who do not vaccinate. I hear it over and over on the lists I moderate & participate in - people will tell you over and over that usually their unvaccinated child is much healthier than their vaccinated child or other vaccinated children - rare ear infections, temperatures, chronic illness, etc.
    18. Vaccines do NOT give immunity
    19. Much of what we have been told about disease is a lie - polio more than likely due to toxic exposure - it never was contagious.

    You cannot achieve health by injecting toxins and heavy metals

    Sheri Nakken, RN, MA
     
  11. Luigi59

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    Your "evidence" is nothing but a classic example of Post hoc ergo propter hoc, Latin for "after this, therefore because (on account) of this."

    "Since that event followed this one, that event must have been caused by this one."

    Also known as "false cause" or "coincidental correlation."

    Anyone who believes any of this anti-vaccination nonsense should research the name "Andrew Wakefield" and learn how his faulty analysis papers concerning MMR vaccinations and autism have been thoroughly debunked by the scientific medical community - in fact, TEN of the 12 co-authors of his paper have withdrawn their support and subsequently have retracted their conclusions.

    "In all of human history, the invention of vaccination should be classed as one of our greatest medical triumphs. This innovation has saved millions of lives and prevented untold suffering and misery; it has brought many once-epidemic diseases under control, and eradicated others altogether.

    Hysterical, paranoid rhetoric about how doctors and pharmaceutical companies are "poisoning children" for the sake of profit are the stock in trade of this anti-vaccination movement, which makes up in shrillness what it lacks in scientific support."


    PS - no need to troll here, this is not one of your "anti-vaccination" websites, this is a web site devoted to helping young men & women get appointments to the US Military Academies, where vaccinations are REQUIRED for admission.
     
  12. Just_A_Mom

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    snakken - go away. take your unscientific vaccine vitriol with you.
    you have been taken for a ride by - gullible you. obviously you have no knowledge of how the human body works, of disease processes or immunology.

    chewyoatmeal has a choice. He can decline the vaccinations and turn down his appointment to West Point. No one is making him go.

    I suggest the moderator consider removing all of snakken's posts.
     
  13. Luigi59

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    JAM - research her name, she is well known for trolling on the internet, famous for posting "her" version of "science" (and selling lots of crap to gullible people along the way).
     
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    Yep - I assume this thread popped up in some sort of "News alert" she has set. Hence my suggestion that her posts be removed.
     
  15. snakken

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    posting for the benefit of chewy

    posting for the benefit of chewy and not for those with minds that are closed
    let me know when you've done a bit of research or after you have been injured with the vaccines
     
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    I am fully behind you. I see anti-vaccination "information" and "preaching" on many sites. It gets quite annoying after a while.

    And also, I've gotten all my required immunizations over my lifetime; as a baby, and have gotten several again, since their effects have worn off after a period of many years and needed to be given once again. I still stand in perfect health today and rarely get sick, possibly once a year. Your negative effects of vaccines are ill-founded and your reasonings are fallacies.
     
  17. chewyoatmeal

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    wow, I didn't expect a little paperwork question to become a war zone. For the record snakken (if said troll ever returns) I will be getting fully immunized if there is no waiver, an appointment to West Point is a childhood dream of mine and anything, is worth it. something this individual sadly does not understand.

    furthermore the cadet honor code of the academy is in direct violation with lying about my religion. I do not want to be separated from the academy for something so stupid as ling to get out of shots, I just wanted to see if I could bypass some of the negative effects that are associated with them.

    also unlike snaken I understand Immunology and believe me if I was going to a foreign environment I would be the first one in line for shots. I could also give you the flip side of Immunology however (ie. the super diseases we are breeding) because of unnecessary vaccinations. But this is neither the time of place to do so. My father is a doctor and is going to call the academy tomorrow to see if there is a possible alternative, and if not Im rolling up my sleeve ASAP. Thank you everyone for your help in the matter, I consider this thread resolved. :thumb:
     
  18. snakken

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    good luck to you chewy

    good luck to you chewy

    how is it you were never vaccinated if your father is a doctor?
    Your mother protected you? You have much to be grateful for.
    I hope it will be worth it and that you have built a strong enough system after no vaccination, antibiotics and other drugs.

    Just had your best health in mind.

    It isn't about lying about your religion - it is about a deeply held belief but I see you don't have that, so yes, it would be lying for you.

    Hope your dream is worth it.

    I guess when people are enamored with war, they aren't going to be too logical or open minded for something like this. But believe me, once injured they are. I personally know through emails & phone calls, large numbers of vaccine-injured from the military including my husband (before I met him). He just wishes he knew before it happened. Nothing is worth what happened to him.

    I am actually one person who was responsible for finding Mark Zaid to represent young sailors in the gulf in the early 90's who were the first anthrax vaccine refusers after so many were becoming injured. But the US is intent upon continuing to enlist cannon fodder.

    How very very sad. I guess not being vaccinated did not mean you were a kind and caring and thankful person for someone trying to help you.

    I'm glad I bothered, though - because someone may have heard

    Sheri Nakken, RN, MA
     
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    http://www.anthraxvaccine.org/index.shtml

    Is that your website? It is interesting. I've been getting vaccinations throughout my life and I find it in my best interest. I elected not to get the flu vaccine one year and got pretty sick. Every year since I have gotten it and been fine. Maybe I was unlucky but I sincerely feel like vaccinations do help people.

    I would also like to say that the immunizations required to not include the anthrax vaccine which seems to be that websites big problem.

    Another one of the things I read from that website is that while some vaccines are (in 99.9% of cases) safe it is possible that receiving multiple vaccines in a short period of time is a problem. If he started now he would have some 4 months to get the vaccines. That seems like quite a long period of time for your body to process one vaccine and get another.
     
  20. chewyoatmeal

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    Im going to call the docs at west poitn, see what they suggest, and start getting what I need asap, I think 4 months will be enough time
     
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