In College AFROTC Scholarship

[Stevenson]

Good afternoon SAF,

Does anyone here know the average CGPA and ACT/SATe for an in college AFROTC scholarship?

Also, there was recently a scholarship board for 200's/250's. Is the only difference for this board during the spring is that 100's are eligible? All I remember is cadre said they will give more information about it as time comes but it's essentially "phase II" as they said, so the ICSP Phase II.

Anyways, I'm just a little worried because I'm not sure if I'd be competitive. What do you guys think? I'm a freshman (100) and I'm just about to complete this semester.

cGPA: 3.65 (very likely, so let's use this one) 3.82 (at best, but very low chance of happening)
ACT: 29 (I believe it's like 1270/1280 SATe)
PFA: 97
Major (if it matters in the in college): Electrical Engineering

Do they consider commander's ranking into this selection? I couldn't seem to find anything but the eligibility requirements for this scholarship. Thank you! (I've also heard it was harder than the high school board, can someone verify this or does it change each year depending on funding?)

Edit: Type 3 is most common, similar to Type 7 in a high school board correct? It covers up to $9K tuition which is more than enough. There's still a stipend correct? That'd be nice. 1+2 scholly.

 

[Pima]

If memory serves me correctly this would mean it is a 1+2. The fall board is the one that is 1.5 +2 for 100s. IOWs, they did not pay for the fall semester, just spring. Using that logic, than they would not pay for spring.

I do not know the details, but I am guessing the CoCs ranking is going to play a part in the selection.

I would say it is more competitive than the HSSP. This is how it has always been explained to me:
There is a limited pot of gold (money) for every year group (commissioning year). HQ during the HSSP selection knows from historical data the % that will accept AND activate the scholarship for the coming fall as 100s.
~ Now let's say they offer a 1000 and expect 900 to activate, but only 800 do that year. That means the pot of gold has not been used up.
~~ However if a higher number activates, than they will not hold an ICSP board at all. This has happened twice in the past 5 yrs.

Now, what they are looking at also at this point is the same deal, but because there are cadets that did start in the fall as a 100 on scholarship and after 1 semester they decide to leave ROTC, than there is money again to be dispersed for your yr. group.

It all comes down to how much money is left in the pot. I doubt anyone can answer that question. You just have to hurry up and wait.

PS Your stats look strong. I would recommend while home for winter break to physically train and try to get that PFT up to at least a 98. Every point you leave on the table can be the point that you needed. There will be a line drawn. Above that score you get the scholarship, below, and we are sorry. The PFA is something you have 100% complete control over when it comes to the WCS.

 

[Stevenson]

If memory serves me correctly this would mean it is a 1+2. The fall board is the one that is 1.5 +2 for 100s. IOWs, they did not pay for the fall semester, just spring. Using that logic, than they would not pay for spring.

I do not know the details, but I am guessing the CoCs ranking is going to play a part in the selection.

I would say it is more competitive than the HSSP. This is how it has always been explained to me:
There is a limited pot of gold (money) for every year group (commissioning year). HQ during the HSSP selection knows from historical data the % that will accept AND activate the scholarship for the coming fall as 100s.
~ Now let's say they offer a 1000 and expect 900 to activate, but only 800 do that year. That means the pot of gold has not been used up.
~~ However if a higher number activates, than they will not hold an ICSP board at all. This has happened twice in the past 5 yrs.

Now, what they are looking at also at this point is the same deal, but because there are cadets that did start in the fall as a 100 on scholarship and after 1 semester they decide to leave ROTC, than there is money again to be dispersed for your yr. group.

It all comes down to how much money is left in the pot. I doubt anyone can answer that question. You just have to hurry up and wait.

PS Your stats look strong. I would recommend while home for winter break to physically train and try to get that PFT up to at least a 98. Every point you leave on the table can be the point that you needed. There will be a line drawn. Above that score you get the scholarship, below, and we are sorry. The PFA is something you have 100% complete control over when it comes to the WCS.

Thanks Pima! That makes sense. I will definitely get my PFA up. I planned to run a lot in the winter and since it's extremely cold where I'm from, I think running in the morning will condition me to do better than the perfect weather that I will have during the actual PFA.

The ICSP has 2 different types of scholarships according to the website: Type 2 and Type 3. Type 2 is ~$18,000/year tuition while Type 3 is half of that.

We have a bunch of cadets in our detachment who were on scholarship drop from the program this semester and 1 who is attempting to reapply for the Academy.

We had 6 200's get "nominated" by cadre and all 6 received scholarship this semester. I talked to cadre and one of the captains said she will be looking out for me since she saw my stats were good enough for the scholarship.

Anyways, GPA was in my control. I had the ability to get a 4.0 but unfortunately didn't. Two of my classes ended up being B's, thus 3.65. I was super focused on academics for the ICSP, but hopefully I can still stand competitive with other people. I'm not sure if they take the school you are going into consideration, but according to a POC I talked to, a 3.5 at MIT will hold more weight than a 3.5 at a public state school. I'm not sure if this is accurate.

I've noticed a lot of emphasis on SFT on scholarships and I've been trying to tell some 100's in my detachment. They're struggling to maintain the minimum GPA but they keep telling themselves that as long as they meet the minimum, they are guaranteed into SFT b/c of scholarship. However, I've mentioned many times that scholarship is not considered during selection, and they do not believe me. So I can see why this is always included in your explanation of scholarships.

 

[Pima]

Here's a hint for the next time they say that, pull up the breakdown for SFT selection, and ask them to show you exactly where in the % it says X% points for the score goes to scholarship cadets?
~ It will make them rethink that idea as they look, and look and look again for something that does not exist. It will be a wake up call, and maybe they will decide to google AFROTC SFT selection rates. In the 7 years I have been here the cgpa has never changed. 3.0/3.1 tech, 3.3/3.4 non tech avg.

Now, truth be told the CoC knowing that the cadet is on scholarship might rank them higher, but I doubt enough to move them up in their ranking status if they have a 2.7 compared to the non-scholarship with a 3.2 with the same major.

Truth also be told, many AFROTC scholarship cadets are also on merit from their school. Most colleges, if they are like my kids, than their min is usually between 3,0 and 3,2, hence they usually carry a higher cgpa.
~ It gives them a false sense that it is the AFROTC scholarship that gives them the edge, when reality it is because the college merit requires a higher cgpa that gives the edge.
~~ Our DS 1 semester carried a 3.192 gpa, not cgpa, just gpa for the semester. He was sent a warning letter from his college stating that since it was not 3.20, he was on probation. His AFROTC scholarship was fine and never in jeopardy. He graduated with a 3.43 not because of the fear of losing that AFROTC scholarship, but losing his merit,