in state tuition for out if state rotc students?

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  1. sjbd94

    sjbd94 Member

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    Do any schools provide this if you don't get an rotc scholarship? I know texas a&m does this! Because I would like to go out of state and if I don't get an rotc scholarship I can't afford out of state cost. Please let me know if there are any other options. Would a private college provide a better chance at affordability out of state? Thanks
     
  2. Pima

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    There is a sticky at the top of this forum that has a list of schools which give reduced rates for ROTC cadets. It is quite long.
     
  3. gojack

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    Texas offers in state tuition at all TX universities to members of the Texas National Guard.
    Other states may have similar programs.
    Call your college(s) ROTC ROO and ask about alternative ways to fund your education.
    Some Universities, usually very elite - Vanderbilt, Dartmouth etc., have programs where if you get accepted,
    your cost is based on Expected Family Contribution (EFC).
    The simultaneous membership program (SMP) is a good alternate AROTC entry/fund.
    There are many colleges that offer additional incentives to AROTC scholarship winners - list here
     
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    I know that most if not all of the Maritime Colleges have agreements with multiple other states to give in state or in region rates to Students that live in states covered with an agreement. For Example form the SUNY Maritime Website:
    - http://www.sunymaritime.edu/About Maritime/FAQ.aspx
    I know that Massachusetts Maritime has a similar program:
    http://www.maritime.edu/index.cfm?pg=416
    and I believe that California and Maine offer this as well.


    Additionally - If you go to a Maritime College and join the MMR/SIP program you will get In-State Tuition in addition to your Stipend regardless of what State you are from. That however doesn't kick in until the end of your freshman year. The Stipend is retroactive- I don't think that the in state tuition is.
     
  5. sjbd94

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    that list is helpful but i am more concerned if i don't get a scholarship do any of the schools give you any special aid if you are just a member of that schools ROTC?
     
  6. gojack

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    Not that I am aware of, ROTC is a series of elective University classes, no different than History, English etc., there isn't any special aid to students for attending specific class/s. The extra benefits awarded to contracted cadets is about the contract - not just the classes.

    So to receive significant military benefits, you must be a contracted member of the military; ROTC, National Guard, Reserves or on Active Duty.
     
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  7. Pima

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    gojack is correct.

    Additionally, it appears from your posts you have some specific colleges in mind. It is best to talk them.


    One site you might want to visit is www.collegeconfidential.com you can ask that directly on the forums. Go to the college forum, and then the actual school, i.e. UMich or Loyola or whatever. Ask there. These threads are filled with students and parents of students. They will not only be able to chance you, but give you direction regarding if ROTC non-scholarship gives reduced rates. I have been there for @3 yrs+ and I will say their chance thread responses are usually on the mark.
     
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    i was just getting ready to make an account on there, haha. If i dont get an ROTC scholarship im pretty much stuck in NC or Texas A&M, which isnt that bad. My grandparents said they would help with college and they well off to say the least, but i dont know how much they would be willing to help with. Im really looking at some colleges in Florida because I have family there and my grandparents both went to college in that state. I know this is a college confidential question, but if i was looking to go out of state should I look at private schools? because on college board i see the average financial aid package is for example $36k at USC for a tuition of 42k that is in state tuition territory. Im pretty sure I could qualify for that amount too.
     
  9. gojack

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    sjbd94, Vague questions are going to get vague answers...
    It would be very helpful to know your actual SAT/GPA/Class rank/leadership etc., That's for the ROTC aspect.

    Federal financial aid estimation can be done Here The Max Pell Grant is $5,550/yr and Max Fed Direct Subsidized Loan is $3,500/yr and Max Fed Direct Unsub Loan is 2,000 That equals a MAX total of $11,050/yr. Your parents can also borrow money in addition of course.

    ALL Financial aid from universities is on an individual basis - there is no way anyone can tell you what you might get with out a huge amount of information...You may qualify for a grant from many different organizations, everything from the American Polish Society to the American Legion And every University has different requirements for need based and academic based aid. Each University will have a financial aid page(s) that lists some of the aid available (e.g. University of Alabama)

    Have you looked at SMP, and do you consider it a viable back-up option for you?

    "stuck in NC" could be taken as looking for an escape plan, not a career plan... is the idea to be an military officer, or a way to escape NC and fund college?
     
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  10. Pima

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    The amount of aid will vary school to school. I would never make a blanket statement regarding aid.

    The issue you need to understand is although you believe right now that the distance will not matter, but for many this does become a huge issue. When our 2 eldest went off to college, they kissed us goodbye at the campus and said the exact same thing. "See you at Thanksgiving, with a huge smile". Both were home for Columbus Day weekend 6 weeks later.

    I have said it often, when 3 day weekends arrive, dorms clear out. It is very lonely if you are there because you are going to school to far away to come home. I don't know where you live in NC, but it isn't a small state, it has all types of demographics. For example: NCST and UNCW are not going to have the same feeling. Appalachian is not going to be like ECU. Additionally, if you live in Raleigh and go to Appalachian it isn't a short trip. I know some kids want to go far away because they don't want the folks "popping in" on sat. a.m. Guess what? We love you, but you can go to school 20 miles away and we won't be "popping in"! We too have a life.

    As gojack stated are you trying to escape NC or are you trying to find good colleges with great ROTC programs?

    The one thing to understand about FA is it is separated into 2 groups. Needs base and merit base. Of course you can have both too, but it will be broken into these 2 groups. The better your stats the better chance you have for merit base. Many ROTC scholarship recipients also get merit. DS recieved 100K from UMiami as an OOS back in 08, with his ROTC scholarship he would have been free and clear. The same was true for NYU and Notre Dame.

    There is a book at there about all the scholarships available nation wide. It goes state by state, you would be amazed the amount out there that never get used. Some of them are funky, for example, Polish Catholic descent attending college in Ohio (making that up, but you get the gist). It is sold at Barnes, Borders and Books A million. I can't recall the name, but it is a big book, @500-600 pages.
     
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  11. gojack

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    College Aid Examples:

    Davidson
    Davidson College Davidson, NC - median ACT 30, 96% retention rate, 90% graduation rate, AROTC program...

    Davidson College is a private liberal arts college in Davidson, North Carolina. The college is consistently ranked in the top ten liberal arts colleges in the country by U.S. News and World Report

    "Davidson students have 100 percent of their demonstrated need met entirely through a combination of grants and student employment. Prospective students and their families are welcome to contact us to discuss this initiative or related concerns." " Through The Davidson Trust, the college became the first liberal arts institution in the nation to replace loans with grants in all financial aid packages, giving all students the opportunity to graduate debt-free. "

    ROTC scholarship or not, you can afford it, if you can get in.

    "Additionally, Davidson College kicks in 50% Room & Board for all Army ROTC Scholarship recipients." Link

    Duke University
    median 32 ACT, similar stats to Davidson, has an aid program, that meets "100 percent of their demonstrated need met entirely through a combination of grants/loans and student employment."

    There are also a few colleges that are free
     
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  12. Pima

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    One thing I would be wary of is college work/study as an ROTC student. Traditionally it requires you to work on campus @20 hrs a week. That is difficult to do if you are also in ROTC.

    Duke may have a median of 32, but I am leery of that score, and I wonder if it is that low for recruited athletes. DS graduated in 08 from an NC HS, and the students accepted to Duke had at least a 34 ACT.
     
  13. gojack

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    Pima,
    These are just examples, I went to http://www.collegeresults.org/
    and pulled up the two top rated colleges in NC and checked their financial aid packages. I am certain if you look at other universities you will find similar 'deals' - colleges are mostly interested in supporting either very good students, or students from very difficult backgrounds. Average suburban kids that didn't exert themselves in high school, now looking for aid...not so much
     
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  14. Pima

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    gojack,

    I am not going to disagree with you, but as you stated the OP is asking a vague question with a vague background.

    All we can do is give vague/anecdotal responses.

    Until we know the background of the OP, gpa, rank, PFT, ECs, etc., we cannot assist. For all we know they have a 2.5 or maybe a 4.0. They could be the Capt. of Varsity LAX or have no EC's.

    I suggest that we allow this thread to die, unless the OP opens up more regarding what their intentions are for college choice, or academic background regarding scholarship chances.

    Continuing this conversation otherwise is akin to spinning our wheels in mud.
     

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