Is MSC only hiring engineers this year?

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  1. nmlcfp

    nmlcfp Member

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    Our DS(2012 Deck) is telling us that MSC is only looking to hire engineers this year so he doesn't think that he will receive a job offer from them this Spring. Any feedback on this?
     
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    If they are not hiring deckies, then they are not hiring deckies. I think you answered your own question. I'm not sure what feedback you are looking for...
     
  3. KPMum2012

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    DD said MSC hired almost all deckies last year and not many engineers. This year they are doing the opposite. Good luck to your son.
     
  4. nmlcfp

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    KP Aviator's response

    I just wanted to make sure that my DS was telling me accurate infomation. I have no idea what the job market is right now. Luckily, he received a job offer 2 weeks ago with a logistics company. It is a shore job, however. Not sure about the sailing requirement at Kp right now.
     
  5. KPEngineer

    KPEngineer Eternal Father ...

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    There are a lot of fish in the sea, or to paraphrase ... there are a lot of companies on the ocean.

    Don't know if they still do it, but we used to post all our rejection letters on our doors. Some kids had enough to wallpaper their room with. Its a tough market out there right now for deckies but there are jobs to be had. He may not get his dream job, or even a particularly good one but if he keeps looking he will eventually find one. I've met more than one recent grad sailing unlicensed which is no shame either. A paycheck is a paycheck is a paycheck.

    Personally, I wouldn't sail for MSC anyway. Its good for seatime and LOTS of it, but it would be pretty far down my list of companies.
     
  6. cmakin

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    And don't forget the towing companies. I know that when interview time came for my class, I didn't really consider working on tugs. A year after graduation, and after only getting 90 days sea time out of the union hall (and that was a huge amount back then), I applied for and took a job with Crowley. I still had the attitude that it was a "bump in the road", and that didn't play well, needless to say. Once I got over that, I actually got far more job satisfaction running chief on ocean tugs (which then let to ATBs) and learned far more about engineering and myself.
     
  7. Lynpar

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    Is the class of 2012 already receiving offers? Curious of how that is timed with license examinations and graduation being in June. I have heard from my plebe ( I know, I know, not exactly what he needs to be thinking about now) that seniors and recents grads are having a difficult time. He may be speaking only of deckies, not sure.
     
  8. KPEngineer

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    From what I hear and see there are lots of jobs for engineers. Especially in the brown water world. Historically you could be an "unlicensed engineer" but the customers and insurance companies are driving them to licensed guys. I don't know of any unemployed or underemployed engineers but a lot of deck.
     
  9. Lynpar

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    KPengineer, you know I have been hanging around awhile but define "brown water world". Is that inland or river or oil patch water? School me. :redface:
     
  10. KPEngineer

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    You could say all of the above. I'm not aware of any official "definition", but I suppose I would say anywhere where limited licenses are the norm vice unlimited.
     
  11. KPMum2012

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    The class of 2012 had their first hiring fair in the Fall. Some of the class did serious job searching then. I don't know how others are faring but DD had multiple interviews in the Fall and has had several offers. She is engine. She is also very glad that she did not put off her job search efforts until the Spring, like some of her classmates. One less thing to worry about during license prep. Her offers are contingent upon graduation, licensing, etc.
     
  12. cmakin

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    The general definition of "brown water" is from the coast, inland. It includes tugs and service vessels in harbors and those that run the Intracoastal Waterway and the river system. Boats and other vessels that service the shallow water offshore rigs and platforms are also often grouped into the "brown water" industry.

    Supply vessels, lay barges, construction vessels, drill rigs and ships are generally grouped into the oil and gas industry.
     
  13. Luigi59

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    Where does a harbor pilot or bay pilot fit in?

    Are they considered maritime jobs where KP grads can fulfill their service requirement?

    I would assume such a job requires an unlimited license, as well as a lot on OTJ training before one meets the total job requirements, but do they use "interns" or "trainees" (not sure if that is the right word) from the maritime schools, or is this industry strictly nepotism et al?
     
  14. KPEngineer

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    Nepotism certainly helps but I have met pilots who started deep sea, tugs and right out of school. I think it is usually a three year program as a trainee.
     
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    Some pilot associations now have specific rules against nepotism. If I am not mistaken, Houston might well be one of them. I do know that an unlimited Master's license is not one of the requirements for being a harbor pilot. Many that I know came from both ocean and brown water (there is that word again) towing. Now I am an engineer and I have not seen the test for a harbor pilot's license; but I have heard that it is very difficult and specific with regard to the individual port. If I am not mistake, it is also issued by the state, and not by the US Coast Guard.
     
  16. Prudent Mariner

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    MSC will hire Third Officers this year.
     
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    Harbor or bay pilot

    San Francisco requires Unlimited Tonnage, Unlimited Oceans Masters ticket prior to applying for an apprenticeship spot.
     
  18. CPASteve_98

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    DS is a engineer and got a job offer from MSC back in February. From what I understand he will be heading to the ship in July.

    See you all at Graduation next month!! :shake:
     
  19. deepdraft1

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    To get into their apprenticeship program the SF bar pilots only require a masters license, but it doesn't need to be unlimited. They do require at least two years’ command or piloting experience and a federal pilotage endorsement. The command time requirement can be satisfied on vessels less than 1600 gross tons. Many of the San Francisco pilots are former tugboat captains with little or no experience on deep sea unlimited tonnage ships.
     
  20. Superswimmer

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    lol

    lol .... its like everyone gets these acronyms except the people who dont get them... me... ill just try and make something up for them like Mostly Soggy Cupcakes and have fun with it >.<
     

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