Is Scholarship at risk?

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  1. Akrogan

    Akrogan Member

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    Ok, so long story short this semester I pulled a 2.64 (Yes I know this is awful for AFROTC, so I set up a decently easy semester for spring and am taking easy classes over summer). That being said, I know it's 2.5 or above to keep scholarship benefits; however I received a No Credit grade for a course I did last summer- I know this doesn't affect my University GPA, but I know AFROTC looks down on that stuff- they never said anything about it at term review, but because of this, will my scholarship be pulled for next semester? Thank you all.
     
  2. Full Metal Bulldog

    Full Metal Bulldog Citadel Class of 2016

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    Was the No Credit grade for an honor or other integrity issue, if you don't mind us asking?
     
  3. Akrogan

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    Not at all! It was a very tough class I tried to do in the 6 week term, no integrity problems at all, the professor and I still have a great relationship, I had him for a later class too.
     
  4. afrotc16

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    My school does give 'no record' grades. In AFROTC they count as a failing grade, and factor into your GPA as an F. You also receive a conditional event. If this does not cause your GPA to drop below 2.5 you will just receive a conditional event and if you don't already have one on your record, you should be counseled and then be able to keep your scholarship. If it does cause you to drop below a2.5, then I do believe you will lose your scholarship. However your best source of information is your cadre. Set a meeting up with them NOW because tuition is due for next semester and you need to figure this out ASAP. Good luck, and don't take anything I said as law.
     
  5. Akrogan

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    Would that no credit grade be put in even though it was over the summer before I contracted into AFROTC (I am a 100)...also I have a great deal of credits from community college, does AFROTC use those in the GPA calculation or not?

    Thank you again
     
  6. Akrogan

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    Adding to the post I just put in, my cadre didn't mention anything about the course during my term review and they were able to see it.
     
  7. Full Metal Bulldog

    Full Metal Bulldog Citadel Class of 2016

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    As long as you can explain everything and your GPA doesn't suffer too much, like you say it won't, you should be fine. Just prepare to say, and mean, you won't let it happen again.
     
  8. afrotc16

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    It doesn't matter when you contracted. AFROTC wants ALL of your previous transcripts and counts ALL of the grades. So this could actually help you if you did well in those community college courses you took.

    What most likely happened is that your cadre never got a transcript from those previous courses. If you didn't tell them, they wouldn't know. You can't expect them to know everything. You really need to tell them now before it becomes an issue later. I was a transfer student and had to go to the registrar and specifically make sure that AFROTC got the transcripts from my original college that said what courses I took and what grades I got. Right now, make an appointment with your cadre, and ask them if they have your previous transcripts (most likely not). Then you will have to make sure they get them, and then will enter your grades on your form 48 which will calculate your AFROTC GPA. Even if your current college does not count them as transfer credits, AFROTC counts the grades. After they receive the transcripts, they can figure out whether you have the minimum GPA for Scholarship retention.

    GPA becomes a bigger factor in everything the farther along you go in AFROTC. It also becomes harder to maintain. What you really need to focus on is why you did poorly this semester - whether it was just a certain class, or certain classes in your major, whether you need to switch majors, etc.

    Edit: I just saw that you had considered switching majors but decided to stick it out. Good luck! I hope you do well. As an engineering major, you can get scholarship benefits for up to 5 years if you need 5 years to complete your degree too...that may be an option if the load is just too much. Believe me, I know - I'm a Mech Eng. major taking 21+ credits a semester.
     
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  9. Akrogan

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    This is AWESOME NEWS afrotc16!!! I had the one bad no credit course from the university, but 5 community college classes with As! So tell cadre and then they'll factor those into my GPA?! Thanks!
     
  10. Pima

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    Were those 5 CC classes in HS as part of a program like JumpStart than those credits will probably not count because it was part of your HS grades. In that case you were not officially enrolled in the CC as a student it was considered dual enrollment for HS graduation.
     
  11. Akrogan

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    They were not part of any program; I just took the classes there while in high school- I did them over the summer independently of any school requirements. When I had to send transcripts to my university I sent them directly from the community college, and their records show that I was a student.
     
  12. Pima

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    Akrogan,

    Sometimes my posts are also for overall general consumption. There are many lurkers, and they may think the dual enrollment adds into their cgpa.

    Thus, my post of clarifying when the classes occurred.
     
  13. ginko

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    Clarification please. I am a dual credit high school teacher. I also teach pre-engineering classes so I have students interested in defense as a career. Lurker, parent, etc. Dual credit hours don't count into the ROTC OML calculation? ...only if the student took the class independent of the high school? Is this the consensus?
     
  14. kinnem

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    I can't claim to be an expert here but my common sense tells me that if the ROTC college awards credit for the dual credit courses (in the same way credits are awarded for transfer students) that course(s) will count toward the OML. Not sure how the GPA would be calculated for that course but it will show up on the ROTC college transcript so it seems to me it should count.
     
  15. -Bull-

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    I think it depends on which ROTC program a cadet is in and the school they are at. I am AROTC and took a couple dual enrollment classes in high school. They don't count for my OML gap (or my gpa on my transcript) because my school only accepts the transfer credits, not the transfer gpa. If my school allowed the grades to transfer, I believe they would count towards accessions. I can't speak for any other program or school though.
     
  16. Ohio2015Parent

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    Also, classes taken IB/AP in high school show up on transcripts in college with no grades attached at most schools. The high school course grades will be in the high school gpa/transcript but not the college one. Perhaps this is why the dual credit courses do not receive grades in college.

    In fact, I've advised a few of DS friends NOT to take IB/AP or dual courses in high school - enjoy the time and take the "easy" classes for full credit and gpa counts in your college years. Just one way of looking at it.
     
  17. Non Ducor Duco

    Non Ducor Duco I am not led, I lead

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    I can answer that. Dual enrollment credit CAN be factored into your GPA. I had 30 credits from dual enrollment classes I took at a local university during my senior year of high school. All I did was went to the Education Officer with my transcript from the college I took classes at, the cadre member who put together our packages for FT, and they factored them into my AFROTC GPA. Of course, your college will only accept the credits, not the grades. But AFROTC will accept past college grades and put them in the system for your AFROTC GPA, this is the GPA that is sent with your package for Enrollment Allocations to FT.

    If the classes you took were from an actual college, and not AP or IB, the grades can be factored in.

    It is very likely that the cadre will not factor this in on their own, as they may not know that you have credits from another college to put on record. I researched it myself and found the rule about it in AFI 36-2011. If I hadn't, I probably would have never known to ask to have my dual enrollment grades factored in. They definitely gave my package a boost.

    So the OP should absolutely bring their old transcript to the cadre and ask about having the dual enrollment grades count.
     
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  18. Akrogan

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    Called Detachment, they already had all the community college grades in their system, and they already have been using them to calculate my GPA. :smile::smile::smile:

    Thanks for all the help!
     

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