JROTC, CAP

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  1. Drew_22

    Drew_22 USAFA Cadet

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    My school does not offer JROTC and no other school is even close to mine that offers it. Also nearest CAP unit is about 20 miles away. How big of a disadvantage are you at if your are not in one of these organizations? I really want to join one of these but there is just no way. I'am on the National Honor Society, and I'am on the schools peer leadership team. What should I for EC's?
     
  2. Christcorp

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    you're not at ANY DISADVANTAGE at all. These are just other activities, just like scouting, band, boy's state, etc... The academy wants to see that you are involved in TEAM activities; such as sports, clubs, volunteer, etc... They want to see that you have leadership experience. Club officer, class president, team captain, etc.... There are literally HUNDREDS of activities that you can do that demonstrate these skills and experiences. And none of them are considered more important than any others.

    In case you're interested; here is a lit of percentages of how many cadets did WHAT in their high school. As you can see, CAP and JrROTC doesn't have that many cadets who did it:

    These are the stats for this year's class entering: The class of 2013:

    * 41 are prior-enlisted members; 31 attended the Academy’s Prep School last year
    * 15 percent were either high school class presidents or vice-presidents
    * 65 percent were in an academic honor society
    * 89 percent were athletic letter award winners
    * 28 percent were in band or orchestra
    * 27 percent were Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts
    * 9 percent were Civil Air Patrol
    * 13 percent were in Junior ROTC

    And these are just SOME stats. Less than 1 in 10 did CAP. 1 in 8 did ROTC. It's not a big deal. You do these activities BECAUSE YOU WANT TO. Not because you're trying to fill a square to get into the academy. And that's the way the academy wants it. They'd rather you be in the "Young Democrats/Republics" and excel in it; and be excited; and be a club officer; etc... Than to be in CAP or JrROTC and just be a member who doesn't stand out. The fact that you'd really like to do these activities and can't is a shame. Not for the academy, but because it sounds like it's something you wanted. You'll find something else. Again; don't do anything because you think it's a square that's going to get you into the academy. It won't. Do it because that's who you are and that's what you like. And if the academy falls in line with those interests, then you'll do just fine.
     
  3. Drew_22

    Drew_22 USAFA Cadet

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    Wow you make a great point. I will just stick to the clubs that I'am in and try to be president or something around there in them. I'am also planning on going to boys state which will be great. But thanks for your help you really got things clear.
     
  4. fruitytooties

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    personally I'm not intrested in CAP, but my canadiate activities sheet looks empty...
    only got 2 sports, band, and national honor society. think thats enough?

    where do you record volunteer hours?
     
  5. Christcorp

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    It's not a matter of "Recording Volunteer hours". That's like claiming Tithing to your church on your taxes. It doesn't really count as a donation to the church if you're trying to get the government to reimburse you part of it. Well volunteering is the same. The "Reward" isn't in saying that you have 200 hours. But you can definitely put such numbers on your application and in the areas that ask about extra curricular activities. My son was in the International Baccalaureate (IB) Program. Volunteering was part of his classes. But when he did his application for the academy, he didn't write down HOURS. He simply said what he volunteered at over the years.

    As for if your activities seem enough or not; I really can't answer that. Only you can.

    1. Are they the activities that you WANT/LIKE to do?
    2. Do you have time for other activities?
    3. Are there other activities you're interested in?
    4. Are you doing or interested in any leadership roles in these activities?

    Depending on the answers will tell you if the quantity of activities you are participating in is enough. If you're trying to figure out a certain list of activities, a certain number of, or which one is better than another; I can't help you with that. Maybe someone can.

    Remember; while there are approximately 10,000 applicants trying to get one of 1400 appointments; and all the applicants are from all 50 states as well as a number of countries; you ALL have one thing in common when it comes to extra curricular activities. This is NOT negotiable and not up for debate. YOU ALL HAVE EXACTLY 24 HOURS IN A DAY. And with a minor variation in the amount of time you spend in classes/school; most everyone pretty much as the same amount of time from the time school gets out until you have to go back the next day. So students are trying to do 3-4 activities at the same time. They are doing sports, clubs, church, scouting, etc.... Others do 2-3 per semester. My son ALWAYS did sports; he also did NHS. That left him time for maybe volunteering in the fall; (He liked teaching elementary school kids how to read); and possibly helping the elderly or veterans programs in the spring. The point is; it doesn't really matter how MANY activities you do. You all have the same amount of hours in a day. It's a matter of what you do with those activities. Are you the secretary of the NHS? Are you a captain on the football or soccer team? Are you an officer in the FBLA? Just pick the activities that you like. Make sure you have enough time to either have multiple activities throughout the year; or just a couple all the time. And be involved with it because you like it.

    And not that it matters, but my son was NEVER in scouting, NEVER in CAP, NEVER in JrROTC, NEVER in a whole lot of activities that people think give you an edge in BCT and getting into the academy. Yet, he received his appointment the first week of November and is in the class of 2012. And as a side note; having spoken with NUMEROUS cadets who are at or graduated from the academy; those that seemed to do really well in BCT and their 4 degree year had 2 activities in common that MANY said prepared them the most for surviving BCT and that first year. Those who did "2 a day" sports like football, basketball, soccer, etc.... where you are pushed SO FAR that you become brain dead and you move out of reflex. And those in Marching band who were also trained to move by repetition and without thinking. Following everyone else and being part of a team, yet barely thinking past your own brain. I've asked individuals who were in CAP and JrROTC how they were prepared. Most said the academy is NOTHING like CAP or JrROTC and it didn't prepare them for anything.

    I only bring it up because I want people to be involved in activities that they like, are passionate about, will excel in, and have fun in their youth. That's also what the academy wants. Don't think that there is some magic list that exists and has a bunch of check boxes. (If I complete everything on this list, then I WILL receive an appointment). Sorry, but no such list exists.
     
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    thanks for the info!
    So i would just put what I did on my resume for the canidate activities sheet?
     
  7. Drew_22

    Drew_22 USAFA Cadet

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    Ya CC what you said really makes sense. I have been playing football for 8 years and I absolutly love it. I'am also going to do track because I think it will make me a better overall athlete. I have 2 really good clubs in the NHS and the Peer Leadership Team. I'm really committed to all those things. To me that sounds alot better then 50000 things and you do nothing in them. What you are saying really makes sense.
     
  8. flieger83

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    As ya'll have seen in some really excellent posts here...

    It's NOT about "quantity" rather, it's about "quality."

    I "downgraded" a candidate once that had something like 18 clubs/groups he was part of in school...and a couple sports teams, etc...etc...

    Why?

    When I asked what he did he replied: "I'm a good, active member."

    When I asked the club "sponsor/teacher" the response was: "he joined..." and that was it; he never did anything other than put it on his resume.

    Valueless.

    MUCH better examples you've seen above!!!

    Great posts here!!!

    Steve
    USAFA ALO
    USAFA '83
     
  9. Drew_22

    Drew_22 USAFA Cadet

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    You have a great point Flieger83. I know this might be a little off topic to this thread but as an ALO what is the biggest setback that you see from people who apply to a service academy?
     
  10. fruitytooties

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    so how would the air force academy know that you're an committed member for your few extra circs cause I'm only filling in a few bubbles on the candidate activities sheet. how would they know if you only did a few and were inactive in them?
     
  11. Christcorp

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    If you were involved say with a particular sport, club, etc... and you showed you've been doing it for 4+ years, that would show involvement and not just filling squares. If you were the captain of the team, president of the club, officer of a particular activity; that would show involvement and not just filling squares. If you lettered in a sport, band, etc... That would show involvement and not just filling squares. If you were nominated/voted for guru of the month, quarter, year; all state, all conference, etc.... (And many activities besides sports have these accolades; then that would show involvement and not just filling in squares. Hope that gives you some ideas. Later... Mike....
     

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