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frenzymando

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Hi, I'm currently a junior in high school and I am in Air Force JROTC. I have a few questions regarding JROTC nominations:

If I receive a nomination but I am not one of the 20 slated what happens? Am I placed on the national waiting list like I would be from an MOC nomination, or is it just over since I was not picked for one of the 20 spots?

My unit CURRENTLY has the distinguished unit award, which I believe allows my Senior Aerospace Science instructor to nominate me at all of the academies(correct me if I'm wrong about this please). However, I'm not sure if we will have this award in the next school year. I'm not sure if this is true for all JROTC units, but for mine we set 6 goals at the beginning of each year and if we succeed in all of them we receive the distinguished unit award. I don't want to sound negative, but this year it looks like we are going to fail one of the goals. Since my unit is CURRENTLY a distinguished unit, can my instructor nominate for West Point and the Naval Academy if I ask him before this school year ends?

Is it difficult to receive a nomination or am I pretty much guaranteed to get one if the form gets filled out?

How do they determine who gets the 20 spots? Do they just take the cadets with the highest WCSs?

Is there a form online for the Air Force Academy that I am supposed to print out and bring to my instructor to fill out? I found forms for the USMA and Naval Academy, but I can't find any for the Air Force Academy.
 
Why don't you just work to accomplish all of the goals? Leadership is working with others to accomplish the mission.
 
Line said:
Why don't you just work to accomplish all of the goals? Leadership is working with others to accomplish the mission.
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Unfortunately, many of the goals are, for the most part, out of my control.

For example, in JROTC we take this fitness exam every year. On the exam each cadet receives a score from 0-100(with 100 being the best). One of the goals was for our unit's average to be 45 or above. While I can cheer on my fellow cadets and try and get them to work harder in PT, I can't ensure that they will get a good score. I don't want to sound mean, but I believe that MOST of them honestly try their best but simply aren't capable of doing very well on the exam. The scale for the exam is also a bit ridiculous IMO. 50 is supposed to be an average score, but to get a 50 on the mile run you need like a 6:50 mile. I highly doubt the average person can run a mile in 6:50.

Some of the goals I can play a key role in, and I have played a role in succeeding in some of them. But it is impossible for any one cadet to achieve all of the goals by him or her self. They are UNIT goals. In order for us to succeed with the goals, we need everyone in the unit to buy in, and right now not everyone is doing that. And yes part of that is on me for not being a good leader and making sure that everyone is doing what they are supposed to do to help the unit, but part of that is on my fellow cadets. Some cadets are simply unmotivated to work and help the unit. You can push them as much as you want and they still won't do anything. It isn't hard to get into JROTC, you just have to sign up for it. One time during the fitness exam we were running the mile and one cadet just walked pretty much the entire thing. After a lot of us finished our miles, we went back and tried to motivate him to push himself, but he just wouldn't. Everyone in my class was yelling at him to start moving, but he wouldn't. He just kept walking. He wasn't sweating or breathing hard or anything, he was simply unmotivated to work. There isn't really much I, or anyone else besides the cadet himself, that can do anything in that situation. Part of being a leader is about working with people that don't want to work, and maybe I am not a great leader because of my inability to motivate my fellow cadets, but IMHO, there is only so much a leader can do to try and motivate someone. You can give a master chef rotten goods to cook with, and even though the chef is good, the chef won't be able to make something great if the materials he is given are rotten. This doesn't just apply to that one goal, another goal involves a certain percentage of our cadets getting a certain number of service hours. Every time an event comes up I talk to each person in my flight individually and ask them if they are going to the event. If they say no I ask why. Many of them say no every time and come up with some bogus excuse for not going. Others simply say they don't feel like going. I can't force them to go, I can try and get them to go. Our unit's motto is actually got to wanna. Basically this means someone has to want to do something or they aren't going to do it. Got to wanna cadets help us achieve our goals, non-Got to wanna cadets help us fail them.

Please PM me if you would like to talk about the goals any more or give me advice on what I can do/should have done, I don't want the thread getting off topic.
 
Service related nominations do not qualify someone for the NWL. They must be MOC noms. These are sort used like a Presidential... Noms can essentially be unlimited as long as you qualify for it, but there is a cap on appointments charged to that nomination source. For instance Presidential Noms can be 800 or more some years, but I think only 100 Appointments can be allocated to this source. For your case a qualifer is a distinguished unit to be eligible and its capped at 20 appointments. This is why it's important to apply for all Noms you are eligible for.
 
NavyHoops said:
Service related nominations do not qualify someone for the NWL. They must be MOC noms. These are sort used like a Presidential... Noms can essentially be unlimited as long as you qualify for it, but there is a cap on appointments charged to that nomination source. For instance Presidential Noms can be 800 or more some years, but I think only 100 Appointments can be allocated to this source. For your case a qualifer is a distinguished unit to be eligible and its capped at 20 appointments. This is why it's important to apply for all Noms you are eligible for.
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Ok, thanks. So even senatorial nominations don't qualify me for the NWL, just MOC?
 
frenzymando said:
Is there a form online for the Air Force Academy that I am supposed to print out and bring to my instructor to fill out? I found forms for the USMA and Naval Academy, but I can't find any for the Air Force Academy.
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Here's the link to the Air Force Form O-762:
https://admissions.usafa.edu/rrs/AFROTC-JROTC-HMS/HMS/O-762 (HMS).pdf

It has to go to your school's principal first, then to your senior JROTC instructor. Each Honor Unit may nominate 5. The form then gets submitted to USAFA.

Only 20 appointments available in this category across all ROTC and JROTC nominations.

DD#1 was Battalion Commander for an AJROTC Honor Unit with Distinction and received JROTC nominations to USMA, USNA and USAFA. She had MOC noms also to USMA. Received appointments to USMA and also USAFA, where she only had the JROTC nom. Declined both to attend USCGA.
 
If memory serves me right, the OP as a JROTC cadet would also be going up against (ROTC) cadets that are in college.

Just saying in the ROTC pool it is not just distinquished JROTC units, but also ROTC cadets in college. When you start to realize that only 20 will be charged and college ROTC cadets are competing, maybe for the second time, the OP should see why every poster says apply to every nomination source.

JROTC is one thing, now think about how you will rack and stack against the other ROTC nominations.
~ SMC AFROTC cadets (VT, TAMU, VMI, Citadel, etc)
~ @900 AFROTC cadets are on scholarship. Many of them will reapply as freshmen, and their Cadre will support them for the ROTC nomination.

They are going to be your competition.

I am not saying HS JROTC applicants don't get appointed via the ROTC nomination. I am just saying the ROTC nomination is not just for JROTC and the cadets that are in ROTC at college will use as one more nomination. They will apply for their MOC nominations too.
~ Something you should do come next fall.

FWIW, I suggest you investigate what a WCS is and how appointments are charged.
~ I am not trying to be mean, just saying 60% of the WCS will be your academics. JROTC will be seen as an EC.
 
Pima said:
If memory serves me right, the OP as a JROTC cadet would also be going up against (ROTC) cadets that are in college.

Just saying in the ROTC pool it is not just distinquished JROTC units, but also ROTC cadets in college. When you start to realize that only 20 will be charged and college ROTC cadets are competing, maybe for the second time, the OP should see why every poster says apply to every nomination source.
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Yes, Pima, you are correct. Only 20 from all JROTC and ROTC nominations receive appointments. And those not chosen for those 20 DO NOT go into the NWL pool. It is extremely difficult to garner an appointment with only this nom, but not impossible. It would be very imprudent for an applicant to rely on only a JROTC or ROTC nom. DD#1 had USAFA as her backup, so she did not seek additional MOC noms to USAFA.
 
alaska66 said:
Here's the link to the Air Force Form O-762:
https://admissions.usafa.edu/rrs/AFROTC-JROTC-HMS/HMS/O-762 (HMS).pdf

It has to go to your school's principal first, then to your senior JROTC instructor. Each Honor Unit may nominate 5. The form then gets submitted to USAFA.

Only 20 appointments available in this category across all ROTC and JROTC nominations.

DD#1 was Battalion Commander for an AJROTC Honor Unit with Distinction and received JROTC nominations to USMA, USNA and USAFA. She had MOC noms also to USMA. Received appointments to USMA and also USAFA, where she only had the JROTC nom. Declined both to attend USCGA.
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That link looks like it is for Honor units. Is there one for non-honor units?
Pima said:
If memory serves me right, the OP as a JROTC cadet would also be going up against (ROTC) cadets that are in college.

Just saying in the ROTC pool it is not just distinquished JROTC units, but also ROTC cadets in college. When you start to realize that only 20 will be charged and college ROTC cadets are competing, maybe for the second time, the OP should see why every poster says apply to every nomination source.

JROTC is one thing, now think about how you will rack and stack against the other ROTC nominations.
~ SMC AFROTC cadets (VT, TAMU, VMI, Citadel, etc)
~ @900 AFROTC cadets are on scholarship. Many of them will reapply as freshmen, and their Cadre will support them for the ROTC nomination.

They are going to be your competition.

I am not saying HS JROTC applicants don't get appointed via the ROTC nomination. I am just saying the ROTC nomination is not just for JROTC and the cadets that are in ROTC at college will use as one more nomination. They will apply for their MOC nominations too.
~ Something you should do come next fall.

FWIW, I suggest you investigate what a WCS is and how appointments are charged.
~ I am not trying to be mean, just saying 60% of the WCS will be your academics. JROTC will be seen as an EC.
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Wait I'm confused, so my unit has to be a distinguished one for me to receive a nomination? I thought that was only for cross service nominations(ie AFJROTC nominating to Naval Academy).

I will apply to every nomination available, VP, senatorial, MOC, and JROTC.

My academic profile is fairly strong in my opinion(not trying to be arrogant). It is the least of my concerns. But I'm aware that it will be extremely difficult for me to get a JROTC nom, or any nom for that matter. Thanks for the advice!
 
alaska66 said:
Yes, Pima, you are correct. Only 20 from all JROTC and ROTC nominations receive appointments. And those not chosen for those 20 DO NOT go into the NWL pool. It is extremely difficult to garner an appointment with only this nom, but not impossible. It would be very imprudent for an applicant to rely on only a JROTC or ROTC nom. DD#1 had USAFA as her backup, so she did not seek additional MOC noms to USAFA.
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Is it 20 each year, or 20 people total can be at the academies at once from J/ROTC nominations?
 
frenzymando said:
That link looks like it is for Honor units. Is there one for non-honor units?
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From the USAFA website:
Air Force Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) and Air Force Junior ROTC
Five students may be nominated to the Academy every year from each college or university AFROTC detachment as well as honor graduates from each eligible honor high school with Air Force Junior ROTC. College or university students must submit their applications to the Professor of Aerospace Studies. High school students must submit their applications to the Aerospace Science Instructor.

frenzymando said:
Is it 20 each year, or 20 people total can be at the academies at once from J/ROTC nominations?
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There are 20 appointed in each class. Reference U.S. Code Title 10, Subtitle D, Part III, Chapter 903, Subsection 9342, Paragraph (b):
(4)20 nominated by the Secretary of the Air Force, under regulations prescribed by him, from the honor graduates of schools designated as honor schools by the Department of the Army, the Department of the Navy, or the Department of the Air Force, and from members of the Air Force Reserve Officers’ Training Corps.
 
alaska66 said:
From the USAFA website:
Air Force Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) and Air Force Junior ROTC
Five students may be nominated to the Academy every year from each college or university AFROTC detachment as well as honor graduates from each eligible honor high school with Air Force Junior ROTC. College or university students must submit their applications to the Professor of Aerospace Studies. High school students must submit their applications to the Aerospace Science Instructor.



There are 20 appointed in each class. Reference U.S. Code Title 10, Subtitle D, Part III, Chapter 903, Subsection 9342, Paragraph (b):
(4)20 nominated by the Secretary of the Air Force, under regulations prescribed by him, from the honor graduates of schools designated as honor schools by the Department of the Army, the Department of the Navy, or the Department of the Air Force, and from members of the Air Force Reserve Officers’ Training Corps.
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Alright thanks! But I'm not quite sure what an honor graduate or an honor high school is. Does that basically mean a distinguished unit?
 
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