Just when you thought people couldn't possibly get more stupid...
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Just_A_Mom
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She now has been charges with attempted murder. Unbelievable. What will happen to her dependents - can they keep their benefits?
usna1985
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It's been a LONG time since my Law for the Junior Officer course. 
As of now, she has only been charged by civilian authorities. Her benefits -- and those of her children -- are related to her military service and the civilian authorities cannot take them from her. Thus, she would first have to be tried and convicted under the UCMJ. If she were convicted of certain offenses, she could lose her benefits, among other more serious consequences such as imprisonment, loss of rank, etc. In that case, I believe her family would also lose its benefits (as they are tied to hers) unless her husband separately had the same benefits.
Any JAGs out there who know if the above is correct?
As of now, she has only been charged by civilian authorities. Her benefits -- and those of her children -- are related to her military service and the civilian authorities cannot take them from her. Thus, she would first have to be tried and convicted under the UCMJ. If she were convicted of certain offenses, she could lose her benefits, among other more serious consequences such as imprisonment, loss of rank, etc. In that case, I believe her family would also lose its benefits (as they are tied to hers) unless her husband separately had the same benefits.
Any JAGs out there who know if the above is correct?
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usna1985 said:It's been a LONG time since my Law for the Junior Officer course.
As of now, she has only been charged by civilian authorities. Her benefits -- and those of her children -- are related to her military service and the civilian authorities cannot take them from her. Thus, she would first have to be tried and convicted under the UCMJ. If she were convicted of certain offenses, she could lose her benefits, among other more serious consequences such as imprisonment, loss of rank, etc. In that case, I believe her family would also lose its benefits (as they are tied to hers) unless her husband separately had the same benefits.
Any JAGs out there who know if the above is correct?
<-- Not a JAG, but depending on how this plays out she may be able to quietly and quickly retire from the military. She obviously has 20yrs in as an 85 USNA grad, so if I were her I'd be submitting my papers today via lawyer.
This is a sad case and nobody will be a 'winner'.
usna1985
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It makes sense that active duty or retired military in jail not be entitled to receive his/her salary/pension while incarcerated. But whether it would go to the dependents is a question to which I honestly don't know the answer. In any event, military benefits are probably the least of her concerns at this point in the process.
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Hey, let's let the courts do their thing. I really really feel sorry for both her and her family. I think most of us can look back and realize that "love" has caused us to do some stupid things. Thank God we weren't in the public spotlight.
Speaking of the whole Pilot/Aviator thing:
The Navy has Aviators and the Air Force has Pilots, like pile it over here and pile it over there.
One thing that nobody has said yet, but maybe the male Commander, who is single, is really innocent in this. It doesn't really ever say anywhere that he was having an affair with her. maybe she was just obsessed with him? And the Air Force Captain, who he was supposedly dating, is also single.
The Navy has Aviators and the Air Force has Pilots, like pile it over here and pile it over there.
One thing that nobody has said yet, but maybe the male Commander, who is single, is really innocent in this. It doesn't really ever say anywhere that he was having an affair with her. maybe she was just obsessed with him? And the Air Force Captain, who he was supposedly dating, is also single.
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usna1985 said:
I agree with this advice and have given it to my kids. Also, if asked a question: "Do you know how fast you were going? " is a trap. Anything you say can and will be used against you. The best response is the "speed limit".
You could just say. "I wish to remain silent." but that might piss off the cop and he/she just might make you wait an hour before he let you go.
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I got pulled over going to Corpus see the Blues fly and got stopped going 80 in a 70 in the a$$-crack of nowhere senior year. I essentially told him I don't know...gave me a $169 ticket, but did DD instead of paying.
Should have pulled the Eagle Scout card on him...didn't have the DoD ID at the time.
Should have pulled the Eagle Scout card on him...didn't have the DoD ID at the time.
1970. Oldsmobile 442. Really fast. Maybe 20 over. I was returning to Pensacola after visiting my parents in NC for the weekend. Late Sunday night. I-85. Greenville, SC. Blue lights. State trooper. I rolled down my window dreading the inevitible question.
"Did you go to Annapolis, boy?". He had seen my sticker in the back window.
"Uh, yes sir."
"My boy wants to go there, is it any good?"
I started to reply, still fumbling for my license and registration, him with his head and "smokey bear" hat filling my side window.
"Boy, I want to hear all about that place. You got time for a cup of coffee and a piece of pie?"
I was in no position to say no,
I followed him to a little diner and spent about an hour answering his questions. Since it was after midnight and I still had quite a drive ahead of me, I finally grabbed for the check and told him I needed to be on the road and wished his son good luck.
We "fought" over the check and I finally won, telling him that it would be an honor for me to buy a cup of coffee for a future Naval Academy dad.
As I walked away from the table, I heard:
"Hey boy, We almost forgot, he he. I need your drivers license for that ticket."
I don't know if he heard me mumbling under my breath about hoping the little SOB got run out, but I didn't get any slack at all on the mileage. Knowing that my ex-plebes would be running plebe detail the next summer, I had every intention of contacting them and giving the trooper's kid an especially "good" plebe summer but somehow the light of day and flight school made it seem less important. I mailed in the fine.
My advice. As per usna85's, if a law enforcement officer ever sees a sticker and asks you if you went to USNA, just say:"No sir, it was on the car when I bought it."
I guess that should have cured my desire to be a BGO, huh? But it didn't.
"Did you go to Annapolis, boy?". He had seen my sticker in the back window.
"Uh, yes sir."
"My boy wants to go there, is it any good?"
I started to reply, still fumbling for my license and registration, him with his head and "smokey bear" hat filling my side window.
"Boy, I want to hear all about that place. You got time for a cup of coffee and a piece of pie?"
I was in no position to say no,
I followed him to a little diner and spent about an hour answering his questions. Since it was after midnight and I still had quite a drive ahead of me, I finally grabbed for the check and told him I needed to be on the road and wished his son good luck.
We "fought" over the check and I finally won, telling him that it would be an honor for me to buy a cup of coffee for a future Naval Academy dad.
As I walked away from the table, I heard:
"Hey boy, We almost forgot, he he. I need your drivers license for that ticket."
I don't know if he heard me mumbling under my breath about hoping the little SOB got run out, but I didn't get any slack at all on the mileage. Knowing that my ex-plebes would be running plebe detail the next summer, I had every intention of contacting them and giving the trooper's kid an especially "good" plebe summer but somehow the light of day and flight school made it seem less important. I mailed in the fine.
My advice. As per usna85's, if a law enforcement officer ever sees a sticker and asks you if you went to USNA, just say:"No sir, it was on the car when I bought it."
I guess that should have cured my desire to be a BGO, huh? But it didn't.
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