Largest Corps of Cadets

[JAGman]

At Norwich, if i remember correctly, if you participate in the Corps of Cadets for 4 years you earn a Vermont Military Degree in addition to your Bachelors. You get this whether you commission or not.


Do the other SMCs do the same thing?

Texas A&M will award a Certificate in Leadership Studies to cadets who are in the Corps but choose not to commission. (As long as they meet a few other academic related requirements)

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[payitforward]

UNG offers a minor in leadership to cadets. For an active Corps member, it's not that much extra work, and most commissioning cadets would have had all but a few of those classes anyway.

 

[BLUF]

VMI Superintendents Newsletter reported 171 Commissioned in 2014

Class of 2014 from VMI had 291 graduate (501 matriculated) and 146 commissioned including 2 in the USCG.

VMI Superintendents Newsletter reported 171 Commissioned in 2014

The breakout numbers provided are:

Army 98
Navy 35
Marines 23
Air Force 15
Total 171

This year it was reported that there were 12 Navy and 6 Marines arriving at VMI with 4-Year Scholarships. So it appears that this could represent 1/3rd of total that receive in-house 2 or 3 yr scholarships.

 

[glen]

SMCs Corps of Cadets & Commissions

It is often difficult to get accurate numbers of commissions from SMCs. Some post information on their graduating classes (as The Citadel does each May) and others release press statements. But these often do not include graduates who commission through OCS, or defer for medical or other grad schools.

For The Citadel - the 2012 graduating class commissioned 183 military officers in the May graduation ceremony. Don't have the exact 2013 numbers, but they were comparable and you can find them on the college web site in the archive of news for May 2013. For 2012 the numbers were as follows:
Commissions 183 (2012)
Army 92
Marine Corps 42
Navy 29
Air Force 20

 

[NAS]

VMI and Citadel Numbers

So, to summarize on the two school sizes, % commissioned, etc., here are the numbers:

Citadel:
Corps of Cadets=2300, Non-Corps Students (grad/undergrad)=1100, Online Grad Program=100 Citadel Total Student Enrollment=3500.
2014 Citadel Corps of Cadets grads=522
2014 Citadel Civilian, non-cadet Grads=400
2014 Commissions=183
2014 Citadel's percent Commissioned=35% (from Corps of Cadets only) or 19% (If factoring Corps of Cadets + grad/undergrad civilians)

VMI:
100% Corps of Cadets=1500
2014 VMI Grads=291
2014 Commissions=171
2014 VMI percent Commissioned=58.7

 

[ELCID1995]

Citadel Numbers

The evening undergrad and grad students at The Citadel do not factor in as they do not participate in ROTC. Regardless, the percentage for VMI is very impressive. Is this typical at VMI? The Citadel has traditionally sent a third of every graduating class into the military.

 

[payitforward]

So, to summarize on the two school sizes, % commissioned, etc., here are the numbers:

Citadel:
Corps of Cadets=2300, Non-Corps Students (grad/undergrad)=1100, Online Grad Program=100 Citadel Total Student Enrollment=3500.
2014 Citadel Corps of Cadets grads=522
2014 Citadel Civilian, non-cadet Grads=400
2014 Commissions=183
2014 Citadel's percent Commissioned=35% (from Corps of Cadets only) or 19% (If factoring Corps of Cadets + grad/undergrad civilians)

VMI:
100% Corps of Cadets=1500
2014 VMI Grads=291
2014 Commissions=171
2014 VMI percent Commissioned=58.7

In an earlier post within this thread, ...

According to The Citadel magazine published by The Citadel Alumni Association the Class of 2014 had 158 Military Commissions.

Air Force 13
Army 106 (largest Army class since 1986)
Marines 18
Navy 17
Coast Guard 1

(which looks suspect since those numbers don't equal 158 anyway)
... so who is right? Citadel 2014: 158 commissions, 155 commissions or 183 commissions?

I'm not convinced any of you are a reliable source for these numbers. Link to the source!

 

[NAS]

The evening undergrad and grad students at The Citadel do not factor in as they do not participate in ROTC. Regardless, the percentage for VMI is very impressive. Is this typical at VMI? The Citadel has traditionally sent a third of every graduating class into the military.

This is somewhat typical, although the goal is to commission over 60 percent at VMI each year. Around 50 to 60 percent is typical.

 

[ELCID1995]

I have read that up until the early 1970's VMI required a commission upon graduation. Can anyone confirm this?

 

[NAS]

I have read that up until the early 1970's VMI required a commission upon graduation. Can anyone confirm this?

That is correct, but it was the 80's--a commission was required at VMI until the 1980's.

 

[bruno]

The last year a commission was "required to be accepted if tendered" was 1990. Really lousy decision -IMHO driven by the Richmond old boy network on the board of visitors whose Daddy's were waiting for them to join them in the family business and couldn't see themselves having to lose 6 months of their precious career while they attended their OBC. The Corps and the school lost a lot when they stopped making them take a commission- since 1990 there have been a couple of major wars not to mention 9/11 and they have yet to commission 70% of a graduating class since then. So much for being "fair specimens of Citizen Soldiers". Gen Walker resigned over that decision and as you can see - it is a subject that still rankles me.

 

[Cluelessparent]

Intresting facts about VMI. I see where it would irk you. I thought after our visit to VMI it was a shoe in for my DS to attend there, But he ended up down here. It has been 4 years of constant change. That has been the only thing that I think has been consistent....the changes. Let's make sure we look PC to the public.... I guess it is a fine line you walk on now in the public eye. I am sure far more complicated than I can comprehend.

 

[NAS]

The last year a commission was "required to be accepted if tendered" was 1990. Really lousy decision -IMHO driven by the Richmond old boy network on the board of visitors whose Daddy's were waiting for them to join them in the family business and couldn't see themselves having to lose 6 months of their precious career while they attended their OBC. The Corps and the school lost a lot when they stopped making them take a commission- since 1990 there have been a couple of major wars not to mention 9/11 and they have yet to commission 70% of a graduating class since then. So much for being "fair specimens of Citizen Soldiers". Gen Walker resigned over that decision and as you can see - it is a subject that still rankles me.

--It could be a whole lot worse... How about 30% commissioning, like at another 'military' college that comes to mind? VMI still commissions over 50% and VMI is 100% corps of cadets, unlike anywhere else... period. VMI is totally unique and is completely different from any of the other so-called 'military' schools out there... seriously. "Interesting facts" about VMI abound, and some of the unique, vmi-specific accomplishments are amazing, but the school does not "market" itself, thus...

 

[Jcc123]

--VMI is totally unique and is completely different from any of the other so-called 'military' schools out there...

You know, NAS, it's very difficult to listen to someone who has so little respect for his fellow servicemen and women. I think I speak for a majority of the forum in wishing you'd just give it a rest. We get that you're proud of your school. Others are proud of theirs. Let it go.

 

[bruno]

You know, NAS, it's very difficult to listen to someone who has so little respect for his fellow servicemen and women. I think I speak for a majority of the forum in wishing you'd just give it a rest. We get that you're proud of your school. Others are proud of theirs. Let it go.

Good advice. With that closing statement I think this is an excellent place to put this thread to bed and move on.

 

[NAS]

it's very difficult to listen to someone who has so little respect for his fellow servicemen and women. We get that you're proud of your school. Others are proud of theirs. Let it go.

Seeing my earlier quote, I see your point and I certainly don't mean to offend. To be clear, I have a great deal of respect for all fellow servicemen and women. Completely understand your point about others being proud of their school as well... sorry for my fanaticism about the Institute--First step in recovery is acknowledging the problem right?