letter from Paul Revere Battalion?

Ouch. That equates to 4% in total, and only 2% for the 4 yr.

This IMPO is something kids need to look at when they are asking for a Chance Me response.

It also goes back to the fact that many of the candidates apply for USMA and AROTC, and why it is so important to understand the numbers of the SA pool.

Let's be honest, an SA is an Ivy. I don't know USMA's number break down, but if you use the AFA it becomes even more frightening.

@10K open packets
@6700 are deemed 3 Q
@3400 get a nom, which is a requirement for appointment
@1350 get appointed

That is why I said the opening of a packet is not the biggie when you look at the numbers, it is the 6700 that is the biggie, and the subsequent numbers.

3300 out of that pool will not get a nom, so plan B becomes plan A as early as Nov.

2000 will get a TWE in the March Mass Mailing and plan B is now plan A.

The one difference that I have heard conflicting reports about regarding AROTC compared to the AFROTC system is that AROTC HQ talks to USMA regarding candidates. I have heard and read that USMA candidates who get a TWE from USMA in March can meet a board in April for these candidates. I have also heard that is a fallacy and not true.

AFROTC does not talk to AFA when selecting recipients. That is why people are told to apply for both plans at the earliest opportunity.

I would love to see the stats of the cadets for 15 compared to 14 because if the numbers are correct and it dropped by 36 Million in one year, my assumption would be that the stats increased dramatically for the avg recipient.

If you read the article here are the stats for 14:

The profile of this year's scholarship winners shows that the average high school grade-point average was 3.5, and the mean college board test score was 1186.

In addition: 39 percent were in the top 5 percent of their classes; 74 percent were in the top 25 percent of their classes; and 96 percent were in the top 50 percent of their classes.

About 12 percent were student-body or senior-class presidents; 34 percent held other class offices; 41 percent were National Honor Society members; 8 percent were club presidents; 28 percent took part in Junior ROTC; 17 percent were involved in Scouting; 77 percent were varsity-letter winners; and 53 percent were varsity team captains.

I am not a betting woman, but I would bet that the mean college board score is now in the 1200's.

I also would be interested to see how this yr plays out for 14. Due to budgetary reasons AFROTC has reduced the % of cadets attending SFT. This occurs in the summer of their rising jr. yr. Many that are not selected jump over to AROTC. AROTC has traditionally accepted them, but remember as a 300 they are contracted and that costs money. If the Army is bulging with the 14 class, and AFROTC still has a 55-60% acceptance for SFT will they continue to allow them to join at the same rate as prior yrs? Especially since we know we are drawing down from places like Iraq and AD members are not bailing at the rate they did when the economy was strong.

Many times we forget that each branch has an impact on another branch.

JMPO, but I would say that about 50% of AFROTC cadets that are not selected for SFT and want to serve in the military because they want to serve will jump over to AROTC. We are not talking a couple of dozen cadets nationwide. I just can't see how AROTC can continue to absorb them at the rate they did in previous yrs.
 
USMA Class of 2015

Volume of Applicants
Men Women Total
Applicant Files Started . 11,198 2,756 13,954
Nominated ...................3,627 717 4,344
Qualified (academically
& physically) .......... 2,141 399 2,540
Admitted .....................1,049 212 1,261

I would guess that AROTC applicants would exceed these numbers. I do believe the total applicant numbers are somewhat exagerated by including all started applications not just completed applications.
 
PIMA,

Interesting that you brought up the transfers from AFROTC to AROTC.

When we were visiting our son's at school a few weeks ago our older son told us that a couple of the MS3's were told that they could not commission in the Spring of 2013, they would have to wait until the following December due to there being to many cadets commissioning for that years quota. Actually one of the MS4's this year was asked to commission early in December rather then this Spring, he also had enough credits to graduate early but will only be in ROTC for 3 1/2 years due to commissioning early in December.

I would imagine that accepting transfers from AFROTC would slow down looking at what is going on with commissioning within the AROTC.
 
Hate to say it, but IMPO the pipeline is closing for AROTC.

Jcleppe said:
a few weeks ago our older son told us that a couple of the MS3's were told that they could not commission in the Spring of 2013, they would have to wait until the following December due to there being too many cadets commissioning for that years quota

Add that in with the reduction of scholarships, the writing is on the wall.

JMPO I would expect that for 13 the OML needed for AD will not be at the same bar as 12. I would believe that 14 may be even higher than 13.

Our economy is not expected to get out of this funk until 13. If there is a bulge from AD members that owe back time, while troops return home from overseas, plus a cut in the DOD budget, you can expect PAIN for ROTC.

I hope I am wrong, but honestly unless something changes in our economy I doubt I am.

Want to change ROTC scholarships regarding the pool size?

Take a look at the colleges your child is applying to and their endowment fund. We have children who apply for the scholarship with a 4 and door philosophy. They are willing to risk their life to defend this country to pay for a college education. Meanwhile, the college they are attending has 1/2 of a BILLION dollars in their endowment fund.

Sorry, but take a look at these forums.. start counting how many times you read I want to attend this school, and I am willing to serve if I can attend.
 
PIMA,

The funny thing is, AROTC took nearly 400 more cadets into AD this year then they did last year. Prior to the AD list coming out almost everyone on this forum assumed that the AD list would be much smaller then the previous year, that was not the case. I gave up trying to second guess what will happen in regards to the military, just when you think you have it figured out it changes again, nothing new I guess.

It will indeed be interesting to see what the AD numbers look like next year after such an increase this year.
 
I am not a betting woman, but I would bet that the mean college board score is now in the 1200's.

I would bet that the mean college board score for students that apply for the ROTC Scholarship but don't get it is in the 1200s.
 
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