Likelyhood of getting waivered

Scoot27

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In late Elementary school I went inpatient for suicidal ideations, and went back in a month after because my parents divorced right after I got out and that wrecked my life, I also have been attending counseling since then biweekly one day a week, but have ceased to actively need it years ago, I just enjoy talking to my therapist. Also, at the time of application (late junior year), I will have been off of meds for 2 years. Ik i will need to get a waiver for this per the DOD doc of disqualifying medical issues, but if I have a letter from therapist confirming I don't need it, and that I am in great mental shape, will it likely be accepted, and is there anything else I should do? Thank you!
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It would definitely not hurt to go ahead and get a really strong letter from your therapist that addresses everything that would raise a concern for waiver authorities about your mental health and send it to DoDMERB for your file. For some waiver authorities, it may be enough for them to give you a waiver. But more than likely, they will ask for your treatment records and/or a mental health examination. Given the short time until May 1, you probably should go ahead and gather treatment records, including therapist notes, and begin reviewing so you can be ready if they are requested. This all assumes you are a competitive candidate in the first place. That is a basic prerequisite for waiver consideration. Good luck!
 
Thank you, Would it be helpful by any means if I stopped seeing a therapist? I know I will still need a letter but overall how much would ceasing to see a therapist help me (to the best of ones knowledge)?
 
Thank you, Would it be helpful by any means if I stopped seeing a therapist? I know I will still need a letter but overall how much would ceasing to see a therapist help me (to the best of ones knowledge)?
I don't think you'll get a waiver for 2 years from seeing a counselor. Army is more likely to waive sooner than navy or air force.
 
Thank you, Would it be helpful by any means if I stopped seeing a therapist? I know I will still need a letter but overall how much would ceasing to see a therapist help me (to the best of ones knowledge)?
May I offer a recommendation - speak with DODMERB to confirm your exact options. Search this board / the internet for the DOD site contact details.

From other posts, you are currently a HS freshman, and you said something about applying at the end of your junior year, but don't need to file applications until your senior year. So I don't think cutting off now makes sense - yet. work with your therapist on an exit strategy - if and only if you both agree you're ready. Work with your therapist on getting a documented improvement, stability, progression to a point where therapy is no longer needed - if that is true. Concurrently confirm if you are eligible or there are any concerns from your inpatient stays history that might prevent you from serving (or not- I truly have no idea).

From some reading (but again please confirm), it looks like ongoing therapy could be a DQ because it lacks "a period of convincing stability demonstrated without need for ongoing medication or psychotherapy".

One other thought - the military environment is described as pretty stressful. My Dad / grandfather served- cousin, son, brother in law, college coach, uncle, etc. Lots of in the soup stories... If stressful environments / situations were triggering for you near or in past traumas maybe you should explore all options including government service, analyst roles etc that are less likely to be in the theater of combat. Good luck and go confirm your options directly for I don't think we've had a DODMERB expert on the board in recent months.

Lastly, it's great that you worked through some hard times and are stronger now - be proud of that / build on that and best of luck to you - just lead through this change in a methodical way - no need for cold turkey quitting.
 
May I offer a recommendation - speak with DODMERB to confirm your exact options. Search this board / the internet for the DOD site contact details.

From other posts, you are currently a HS freshman, and you said something about applying at the end of your junior year, but don't need to file applications until your senior year. So I don't think cutting off now makes sense - yet. work with your therapist on an exit strategy - if and only if you both agree you're ready. Work with your therapist on getting a documented improvement, stability, progression to a point where therapy is no longer needed - if that is true. Concurrently confirm if you are eligible or there are any concerns from your inpatient stays history that might prevent you from serving (or not- I truly have no idea).

From some reading (but again please confirm), it looks like ongoing therapy could be a DQ because it lacks "a period of convincing stability demonstrated without need for ongoing medication or psychotherapy".

One other thought - the military environment is described as pretty stressful. My Dad / grandfather served- cousin, son, brother in law, college coach, uncle, etc. Lots of in the soup stories... If stressful environments / situations were triggering for you near or in past traumas maybe you should explore all options including government service, analyst roles etc that are less likely to be in the theater of combat. Good luck and go confirm your options directly for I don't think we've had a DODMERB expert on the board in recent months.

Lastly, it's great that you worked through some hard times and are stronger now - be proud of that / build on that and best of luck to you - just lead through this change in a methodical way - no need for cold turkey quitting.
I had a medical condition (PANDAS, not medically disqualifyig to my knowledge, now surgically resolved which makes it even less likely to be disqualifying, will continue to look into it) that When I got strep throat, suicidal thoughts skyrocketed, paired with parents divorce and parents doing a horrible job of it, **** hit the fan, not a concern anymore, I’ve had hard times since then and worked my way through them. All in all not overly concerned about future stressful situations that military path likely will put me through.

On the topic of ending my seeing of a therapist,my worry is that if I stop seeing them now or soon, when I need that strong letter vouching for my mental health and that last few years of therapy were not nessecary, that I will not be able to work with them (counseling office) to acquire that strong letter and if I can contact them without any hitches, that we will have been out of contact for enough time that they no longer know me well enough to be able to properly vouch for me. But I see this is where you mention the importance of an exit strategy.

I will also work with parents to contact DOD. Thank you
 
I don't think you'll get a waiver for 2 years from seeing a counselor. Army is more likely to waive sooner than navy or air force.
Both of you mention ability to go on without medication or counseling for prolonged periods in order to be considered for waivering. Medicine levels had been extremely light before cutoff and counseling is relatively light, as well as me making an error in original statement app time will be close to 2 1/2 years off of seeing a counselor and being off of meds (got off of light meds recently). Im overall a bit worried about the prolonged portion, because it means without ANY interference, would there likely be any chance of DOD accepting doctor/counselor notes of me not needing those treatments for about a year or two before going off them (very protective mother who pushed me staying on them)
 
Both of you mention ability to go on without medication or counseling for prolonged periods in order to be considered for waivering. Medicine levels had been extremely light before cutoff and counseling is relatively light, as well as me making an error in original statement app time will be close to 2 1/2 years off of seeing a counselor and being off of meds (got off of light meds recently). Im overall a bit worried about the prolonged portion, because it means without ANY interference, would there likely be any chance of DOD accepting doctor/counselor notes of me not needing those treatments for about a year or two before going off them (very protective mother who pushed me staying on them)
Honestly??? Don’t make health decisions based upon applying to a SA. Make health decisions with your medical professional.

You may not need therapy, in your opinion, bc your ‘very life meds’ are actually working.

What I would recommend, is talking with your therapist. What you will potentially be providing, most likely, when the time comes, will be items from your medical professionals. Your DR/counselor will not be determining Q or DQ. That’s up to DODMERB. Your counselor will still be able to write a letter, if they choose, even if you aren’t under their care anymore. It happens all the time. Alternately, you cannot just ‘quit’ against medical advice. That won’t be a buttoned up record.

The ONLY way to know how this will play out, is to go through it. No one here can give you definitive answers. Overall, your health is most important.
 
I had a medical condition (PANDAS, not medically disqualifyig to my knowledge, now surgically resolved which makes it even less likely to be disqualifying, will continue to look into it) that When I got strep throat, suicidal thoughts skyrocketed, paired with parents divorce and parents doing a horrible job of it, **** hit the fan, not a concern anymore, I’ve had hard times since then and worked my way through them. All in all not overly concerned about future stressful situations that military path likely will put me through.

On the topic of ending my seeing of a therapist,my worry is that if I stop seeing them now or soon, when I need that strong letter vouching for my mental health and that last few years of therapy were not nessecary, that I will not be able to work with them (counseling office) to acquire that strong letter and if I can contact them without any hitches, that we will have been out of contact for enough time that they no longer know me well enough to be able to properly vouch for me. But I see this is where you mention the importance of an exit strategy.

I will also work with parents to contact DOD. Thank you
Please confirm the exact parameters of prior diagnostic/ medication history, and windows of time after medication and therapy to be considered a non-issue with DODMERB directly. Confirm your options. Once you know that, if you'd like, please discuss your career goals and advocacy with your health care team. Regardless of the source of the original concern - strep/ PANDAS, you had more than 1 inpatient stay for psychiatric care, had suicidal ideations, and have been in the past on medications to treat mental health concerns (self reportedly). You've had years of therapy, which is terrific. Confirm with DODMERB how that might impact your candidacy.

You have a baseline of years of therapy and if that concludes (if and only if you and the therapist agree that's the right path for you) with therapy not being needed, followed by the exact timeframe or longer that you can confirm with the DODMERB team needed, that may help you. Real talk- if you continue to see the therapist, it doesn't present like you no longer need a therapist.. Seeing a therapist, simply, presents like you need to continue to see a therapist. You may be seeing it as if you have an expert meeting with you/ knowing you well who can vouch for you - they can already do that based on confirming after your years of therapy together, you no longer need it because you are stable/ healed. Again, confirm with the source so you know the impact of your decisions.

It sounds to me like you have comfort and enjoy seeing your therapist and those discussions. were you my child, without pause and with 100% conviction, I would strongly advocate that you continue those therapy sessions. Take care of yourself.

Suicide rate for veterans of the military is astoundingly high - my son walks 22 miles in an event each year with a group to raise awareness and funds because it's reported that 22 veterans die each day from suicide. It's a high stress environment after which post traumatic stress is common. So you state you feel capable to handle, but keep this in mind - I don't think anyone enters that arena thinking they won't be capable to handle it. No one thinks they'll end up being one of the 22 daily victims.

In my opinion one of the greatest strengths of many Americans is that when doubted we are stubborn and can rise to prove doubters wrong. It's motivating - we get resolved and great things happen. With your desire to serve, go track down the details for your options and make a plan so you don't DQ yourself due a lack of knowing the rules. If the military won't have you (I too planned to serve until I blew out my knee playing college sports and missed my window), there are lots of ways to add value to our country- other government agencies, CIA/ FBI/ NSA, volunteering, which have different thresholds. Thanks for your willingness to serve. Good luck to you.
 
Thank you all for your input, I appreciate the advice that has been given here and will keep what y’all have mentioned in mind
 
Both of you mention ability to go on without medication or counseling for prolonged periods in order to be considered for waivering. Medicine levels had been extremely light before cutoff and counseling is relatively light, as well as me making an error in original statement app time will be close to 2 1/2 years off of seeing a counselor and being off of meds (got off of light meds recently). Im overall a bit worried about the prolonged portion, because it means without ANY interference, would there likely be any chance of DOD accepting doctor/counselor notes of me not needing those treatments for about a year or two before going off them (very protective mother who pushed me staying on them)
Medicine is medicine in their eyes. I'm so sorry, we know a girl that went thru this too. Army may waive but I doubt AF or Navy will.
 
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