LOAs

It is a wonderful thing to get, as is winning the lottery. It's just so many kids (and their parents) think they "deserve" an LOA, and are disappointed when they do not receive one.

OK, y'all keep chatting about them. But remember: you are no less worthwhile because you do not receive one.
 
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I totally Agree with you!
 
If I have gotten one, do I need to let the MOC nomination coordinators know to update my nomination package?

If you want to inprove your chances of receiving a nomination you should inform them. Why would you not? You think they're going to get POed at you for bothering them?
 
I knew nothing until 27 Apr 1964. Got a no-lie-GI Western Union Telegram from my MOC. I reported 30 Jun 1964. Just after a remarkable meeting with the local draft board. Another War Story.

I found the original yellowed telegram in my 1968 yearbook... :)

Bottom line: Cowboy Up! It'll happen... Or not.
 
I knew nothing until 27 Apr 1964. Got a no-lie-GI Western Union Telegram from my MOC. I reported 30 Jun 1964. Just after a remarkable meeting with the local draft board. Another War Story.

I found the original yellowed telegram in my 1968 yearbook... :)

Bottom line: Cowboy Up! It'll happen... Or not.

Rich, my husband still has the copy of his Western Union Telegram notifying him of his appointment from his MOC, too! He showed it to my DS after he got his letter of appointment. DH's came at the end of April, too.
 
I actually was cleaning my house and sorting things and found my Nom the other day! I also still have my appointment letter. And, No, there was no BFE with the fancy folder back in the day. I am not a recent grad, but not ancient either. I was right before we all had email and moved everything to computers. We also knew very little. I was probably more informed as an athlete as the coaches called once a week. When we got told that we would hear in Feb-Mar we sort of all just moved forward and sort of almost forgot about it. In some ways I am glad we didn't have all this instant access and portals. I think it would of stressed me out so badly! In some ways I am thankful I went through this in the dark ages!
 
LOA's are both a blessing and a curse. For my money, I wish they didn't have them. Easy for me to say because in the spirit of full disclosure my DS received one early for both USMA and USNA a couple of years ago as well as his appointments.

Having said that, I had to have the "come to Jesus meeting " with him to remind him that NOTHING is guaranteed until you're standing in that courtyard in front of Bancroft Hall on I-Day taking the oath. "You will, young man, pursue plans B, C and if necessary D because you never know what will happen and in the interim you will run this race with you foot on the floorboard all the way to the end. No letting up on anything you're doing".

Fortunately, he got the message as just ten weeks before I-Day he was injured in lacrosse game that medically DQ'd him for the class of 2018. Plan B was in place and implemented; two semesters at university, got his medical clearance (just a few weeks after I-Day), and was reappointed for the class of 2019.

Nice to have ? I guess but as has been pointed out by so many, it's not the goal...the overwhelming majority will know in the spring and between now and then....yes, waiting is difficult and sometimes excruciating....but it's part of the process...embrace it and whether or not you get one, NEVER take your foot off that accelerator!
 
Great advice Sydney and glad it worked out for your DS. I have just seen too many kids decide that the for an LOA and that USNA would find them a nom. Not the case. Every year there are a few kids with LOAs who don't get a nom. We always say don't let up so they don't end up being 'that guy.' We also say to work on other plans for situations just like you said or others awaiting medical waivers. There is so much you can't control in this process but you can control putting great plans in place and doing everything you can to secure a nom. Good luck to everyone!
 
I guess today is a Board Meeting day!! Thursdays and Fridays have become more interesting that's for sure.
 
To put to rest LOAs and Admissions Boards......

One: LOA decisions are independent of when the Admissions Board normally meets.
Two: When a candidate completes their application, it isn't a perfect "first in, first out" queue. Thus, it is possible for Candidate #1 to have completed their application on August 1st and Candidate #2 to have completed their application on September 15th and Candidate #2's application is being presented to the board today, while Candidate #1 is still in the queue. There are many good reasons this happens.

The best thing for candidates to do is work on Plan B+ and occasionally check the Admissions status section (notice I said occasionally not every 5 minutes).
 
I've been trying to read up on the letter of assurance and it seems one thing is clear: no one seems to know anything. One baffling number I saw was that the USNA issues 1500 LOAs. However they are also reportedly rare. They accept 1200 into each class. So they issue more LOAs than they have positions, plus everyone else, the huge majority of people, don't get LOAs. Are the kids getting LOAs that reluctant to take an appointment? I also have seen that the MOC gets a copy from the academy and elsewhere I have read that you need to mail your MOC a copy of the LOA. The LOAs compete equally with everyone else for nominations, and other places say the academy will find you a place. Then there is the whole question of whether or not the MOC is charged against his 5 places for the LOA. Some say yes. Some say no.

Without any sort of authoritative voice on these issues, I think the best bet is to say, "it's nice to have one, but doesn't mean anything until you have the appointment in hand, you aren't in a better or worse positions with or without one". Is that fair?

My DS received a LOA early this year for the Class of 2019. As stated by others the LOA is nice to have. The number I've heard is 150 also. But I also "heard" LOA's are done in December. My DS received his in January. LOA's come in a TWE, so our hearts dropped when we received it. When he opened it a big smile went across his face, but the LOA has a stipulation. His was a nomination. There is also medical and a number of others. So back to worrying. He received the nomination from our MOC 8 weeks later. Celebration, but it's short. Now more worrying as you bubble wrap your DD or DS, and decide will they continue in sports, will they cross a street, can they leave their room....LOL! You think I'm kidding but these will all be thoughts, albeit fleeting thoughts.

The LOA serves this purpose; think Early Admission at any other college. If your DS/DD is very competitive and could go to other outstanding universities (ie; Ivy League, Stanford, UC's in California) and the Academies want your kids, they may send a LOA. Some are used for outstanding athletes as well. MOC's want their candidates to get into an academy. They don't want to submit a slate, and not have a candidate chosen, so in that respect the LOA guarantees their candidate will receive an appointment. However MOC's don't have to nominate the LOA holder. The MOC does receive a copy of the LOA. Our MOC called us to congratulate DS for his appointment based on him receiving the nom and having the LOA. The LOA is charged against the MOC's slate. However as you said, the Academy can find a nomination source for your DD/DS. There are parts of the country where MOC's do not get even one application for nomination. The Academies do not let those go to waste. Remember that there are also Presidential nominations for children of career and retired military personnel, and SECNAV nominations for prior service applicants.

You think the worrying is done after I-Day after you hear in a thunderous roar echoing across Tecumseh Court, "I Do!". It doesn't. The class of 2019 had 13 candidates DOR (drop on request). All males, first time in history that happened. One was a NAPSter. You will not stop worrying until Commissioning Day, and then a whole new set of worries will come with your DS/DD being assigned to the fleet.

My advice; How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. This is how you have to look at your DS/DD receiving an appointment. One step at a time. I know it isn't easy, but its all you can do.
 
Sure they can. But every year there are a few kids who don't get that nom to go with an LOA. Like I always say... No one wants to be 'that guy.' We have seen LOAs roll out later than Dec. For some it's because they are awaiting a waiver even though they have a Nom. Not to mention if someone gets hurt, as seen on this forum and also from a poster on the USMA side, this is a real concern. There is so little that a kid can control in this process. Olathe one thing can control is putting solid backup plans in place and applying to every nom possible. Heck as a future military officers I say this is one of their first training events... Making sure they have all their basis covered as possible.
 
Now more worrying as you bubble wrap your DD or DS, and decide will they continue in sports, will they cross a street, can they leave their room....LOL! You think I'm kidding but these will all be thoughts, albeit fleeting thoughts.

You aren't kidding. When he received his LOA, we were delighted. Now that swim season is coming to an end and wrestling season is starting, we are hoping the coach can keep him from getting hurt. ("Hey coach, can he be JV this season?"). Really, we thought about telling him to skip wrestling so he doesn't risk DQing himself now. He already passed the medical. Why risk injury now? Well, he loves wrestling so I doubt we could talk him out of it even with an appointment.
 
"Why risk injury now? Well, he loves wrestling so I doubt we could talk him out of it even with an appointment."

Yea, I get that. Couldn't talk DS into not playing lacrosse in the spring as they had a legit chance for a state championship. Well...you guys know what happened next..... in the playoffs, injured and it was medical DQ city. He said afterword he would have made the same choice. Really? Hmmmmm.

As he went to university for that year he was invited preferred walk on for football and with us present coach said he could probably start! What's he say to the coach..." I'm going to USNA after this year.... I learned my lesson and can't take the chance this will happen to me again" . Go figure! A mere 90 days after "I would again" he had an Epiphany. Kids!!!!!
 
Back to the LOA...my DS was one of those pulled aside during his CVW and received very positive feedback from the Dean. We have been looking every day in the mail and email for an LOA, which we understood to be on it's way.

So far, nothing has shown in the mail or email, and no change in the portal status. Is it acceptable to call/email the admissions office and ask about it? We don't want to be presumptuous, but my son is about jumping out of his skin waiting for "official" news.
 
First Post on the Forum - so here goes. My DS finished up application completely (Complete Pending Review) and now is waiting for the MOC interviews which should be taking place in the second week of November. Once the application is done, can you still receive a LOA or do you just "get in" pending a nomination? Before the actual nominations are handed out by the MOCs, are candidates accepted based on their credentials? Is this situation different than a LOA? Thanks!
 
I see "1" message... Welcome to the forum! I'm new myself so...
No worries on your son's part. Back in the "Day" I knew Nothing until April and reported in June.

A little "Cold Water" on your Son ! I.E. "Chill" . The chips will fall.
 
Receiving positive feedback and being told you are getting an LOA are two distinct things. If your son was not specifically told he was getting an LOA or words to that affect, then I would make the assumption that your son hasn't received an LOA. If your son was directly told that he was getting an LOA, then it probably is appropriate to contact the Admissions counselor.
 
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