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That was four years ago and it was during the "ABB" time.
And the candidate he endorsed in 2008?
She had no leadership experience to compare with a USNA graduate and military officer.
Being an USNA graduate and military officer doesn't give anyone the open road to presidency....I don't think
I think people should take Fox News with a lot of salt.
But it does give them more leadership experience than being 1st lady, don't cha think?
Clark criticized McCain for a lack of leadership experience. He is a hypocrite for endorsing Hillary.
Everyone needs to take ANY media source with a lot of salt during election time.
Fox News isn't the only culprit
MSNBC was a huge one, or the less obvious, such as CNN.
She also held other government positions. (I'm not saying I support her, I never wanted her to win, but if McCain was eligible- so was she.)
The thing about McCain was that he based his campaign off how was a POW and fighter pilot. With all due respect, everyone else focused on either Senatorial, Congressional, and/or other government positions. Ignoring that McCain was ever in the USN (because he really didn't hold any leadership positions there) then they are pretty much both in the same playing field...with different ideals.
She was in those positions far less than he had been. Maybe if McCain's wife had been president, he would have had more of a chance.
All one has to do is watch Rick Sanchez on CNN to figure out how "quality" that programing is....I feel like I'm watching TMZ when CNN's on.
Ignoring that McCain was ever in the USN (because he really didn't hold any leadership positions there) then they are pretty much both in the same playing field...with different ideals.
I was saying that being an USNA grad/ Military Officer per se doesn't show leadership position.
I find Rick Sanchez to be an ignorant "a-hole", and that's mostly because of the way he address the people he interviews and the personal bias so prevalent in his "reports".
From Wikipedia: In 1976 John McCain became commanding officer of a training squadron stationed in Florida. He improved the unit's flight readiness and safety records, and won the squadron its first-ever Meritorious Unit Commendation.
McCain served as the Navy's liaison to the U.S. Senate beginning in 1977. His key behind-the-scenes role gained congressional financing for a new supercarrier against the wishes of the Carter administration.
NOT the same as "dodging bullets" with Sinbad the Comedian.
You are trained at the academies to be a leader...you do not go to the SA to become a pilot or a Ranger or a SWO...you go to get the best education in leading military members. I am sure there are many cadets or now officers from the SA's that will tell you beside going to class they had other leadership positions as a cadet. As a commander in an operational squadron that is at war, there is nothing worse than having to tell a spouse with young children I sent your husband to his death. It takes a great amount of personal mettle to understand that it was something that had to be done and coming to terms with their death...not to be rude to our President or Hillary, but they have never had to send somebody into battle...many many military members have. Clinton took a lot of heat for not truly understanding the military...USS Cole and not capturing UBL are just 2 of the examples.
People now question if President Obama gets the military by removing Iraq too early and becoming friends with Medved from Russia. Be honest, he is willing to get rid of a strategic defense system in Eastern Europe if Russia helps us with IRAN. I get assistance, but I am not willing to sell ourselves out to PUTIN...Medved is the puppet for PUTIN. Look at Russia and how chummy they have become with Chavez, I have no warm and fuzzy feelings about our relationship with Russia...do any of you?
Obama will always have the support of the military, b/c they took an oath, but there is a difference in following orders b/c you are told to and doing it voluntarily. The military was pumped to see McCain win the nom...for the 1st time there would be a guy who lived the life...walked the walk and b/c of his 2 children serving gave a feeling that he understood the price families were currently paying, esp. since one is enlisted an 1 will be a USNA grad. He gained respect sev yrs ago when he demanded Rummys resignation...military members were cheering YES. He put his political life on the line for the surge. He put his political life on the line again by stating he was against torture (for Repubs that was an issue). He said what he thought and that is what killed him politically.
I will support the Obama's for only so long...they understand that they are on tenuous footing with the military. He will have many struggles for sure, but by immediately asking the DOD to reduce their budget by 10%, which in reality hurts our national security and families while at the same time giving 335 million for STDS...condoms or again how much did that mouse in SF get will make the military start to say to themselves HERE WE GO AGAIN.
Do not fool yourself, us old craniums know exactly how that budget will effect the military...Family Support will lose funding....Tri-Care and Concordia will go up in costs...live in base housing and stove breaks it will be considered non-essential and you will wait 3 days+...start expecting to pay for subscriptions...and then there will be also this...CANNIBALIZING JETS even more...PCS's will be paid after the move instead of prior (they did that for TDY's in the 90's)...RIFS...overall due more with less.
Best yet, does Obama believe that his wifes ability to support military families (that is her platform) can occur when the military budget gets cut? The military will cut pay and bennies prior to operational things. Military families always pay first when budgets get cut, whether it is a pay or hospitalization or medical, they hit there first before they stop buying JP8
Personally and off topic I am just ticked at Pres. Obama talking about CEOs getting 27K curtains and he won't accept it, but Michael Smith (did the curtains) is redecorating the WH...How much do you think that will cost. While he asks the military to cut costs...Desiree Rogers was sent on a fact finding mission (tax payer dollars) to attend NY Fashion shows for Michelle...She stayed at the 4 Seasons in NY and flew in a military aircraft....she stated it was to find up and coming designers for Michelle to highlight in her clothing...Cut me an F'ing break...here's an idea...google the designers and have them fly to DC on their own dime and come to the WH, give the savings to Fisher House. Every up and coming designer would max out their own credit cards to dress Michelle, be real nobody would turn down an invite to the WH. WALK THE TALK
Done with my rant...steeling myself for the attack against my beliefs
How do you improve an unit's safety records? And from Wikipedia: The Navy's "Meritorious Unit Commendation" was started ten years earlier, and it is of the significance of a bronze medal. I guess you can all this an achievement?
Did you seriously just imply that the significance BRONZE STAR isn't that great?!
No, sir. I did not.
I was seriously asking how you improve safety records, and I was merely defining what he had accomplished. But I mean- I guess that makes him presidential.
Once you get in the military, you will realize just how big a deal, I mean BIG, safety and security are. Actually is a big deal.
In many ways, unitedstatesafa2013 I hope you are successful in your quest to attend a service academy. If that occurs, I urge you to have an open mind during your four-year leadership experience. For example, my read of your Barney Frank comment makes me think you suggest that people that have no military experience are in a better position to make decisions about military appropriations because they are not "biased." Mr. Frank's rationale, with respect, is not why it's good for the military to cut it's appropriation by 25%, but to what better purposes that money could be used. That is called "the ends justify the means"
But I'm really troubled about your characterization of Senator McCain's "leadership experience" over his military (including USNA) and government career in contrast to Secretary Clinton's (I'm still trying to figure out what other "government positions" she held to which you refer). You seem to address her "experience" by diminishing Senator McCain's. Would you say the same of Senator Jim Webb?