Midshipman officers

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  1. gdesena

    gdesena USNA Midshipman

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    I was just going through my copy of Reef Points (I know I was advised not to be uber plebe and get one, but it has some good stuff to know), and I found the insignia for midshipmen officers. I'm not exactly sure who the midshipmen officers are or how they earned their rank. Could somebody fill me in?

    Thanks,
    Geoff
     
  2. CurrentMid

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    1/c Brigade Leadership, "stripers" One can be nominated or one can put their name into the mix and then go through the striper boards. This is an interview process. After the interview process, the names are sent up the chain of command and positions selected.

    Brigade Commander
    1st Regimental Commander
    2nd Regimental Commander
    1st Battalion Commander
    2nd Battalion Commander
    3rd Battalion Commander
    4th Battalion Commander
    5th Battalion Commander
    6th Battalion Commander
    1 - 30th Company Commanders.

    Brigade Staff has XO, Chief of Staff, Operations, Honor Advisor etc
    Regimental Commander has XO, Operations, Honor Advisor and Character Advisor

    Battalion Commander has staff as do the Company Commanders.
     
  3. marvin7794

    marvin7794 Member

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    Dude, go out and get wasted everyday before you go to USNA. Lay off of the Reep Points. There is nothing in there you can't learn once you get there. Go meet some hotties. You'll have plenty of time to stand in Bancroft and stare at some pictures in Reef Points or as naught may outrun the destroyer or whatever that trash is. Midshipman Officers are the ones who have more stripes than friends.
     
  4. HANNAH1212

    HANNAH1212 Member

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    That was quite possibly the worst advice I've ever read. You shouldn't condemn him for being ambitious. Everyone is free to do what they may with their USNA education and maybe he wants to take full advantage.
     
  5. 2012mom?

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    I have read three of marvin's posts tonight, and all have had a "somewhat negative" tone. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but I know Mids who are content to consider USNA their "home."

    Regarding Mid officer (striper) positions:
    In addition to the positions mentioned in the earlier post, varsity captains are 3-striper positions. The football team votes for one Firstie captain for the defense and the offense. Not sure if the other team captains are elected or not.

    My Mid's company commander said that he had to apply for his position, and pass one or more interviews.

    Even leadership positions for 3/C and 2/C Mids (they don't get stripes) generally require a Mid to submit some sort of application. If the position has a lot of applicants, there's likely to be one or more interviews. For instance, in the spring of Plebe year, it's possible to apply for a position as a NASS squad leader. During Youngster year, one can apply for some staff positions that take place during 2/C year. 2/C Mids can work during Plebe Summer as trainers on the rifle range or as sailing instructors, if they quailfy.

    Good luck!
     
  6. gdesena

    gdesena USNA Midshipman

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    Marvin, I'm gonna pretend I never saw that.

    2012Mom, thank you for your insightful information. :smile:
     
  7. marvin7794

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    Maybe a little negative. I don't know a soul who thought of USNA as their "home." Far from it in fact.
    On the topic of stripers, anyone can apply to do a job. Whether or not they let you is based on your record(academic, physical, military, conduct) and how much the powers that be like or dislike you. Some of the jobs are useless (PMO, Safety, Drill) and some are labor intensive afternoon nap interrupters(Conduct, Academics, XO/CC). Most of them come with some perk (reference Reef Points for RHIP since you have it handy) like not going to formation or missing events that the majority are voluntold to attend. The process differs across the Brigade. Some jobs require multiple interviews but no application (MIDS knows everything about you). Other jobs can be had just by knowing the right person.
    Hope that was helpful, now go enjoy summer.
     
  8. Kero

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    Tell me that in three more years!
     
  9. SteveHolt243

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    What exactly is your basis for claiming this as the "worst advice ever?" I'm sure he wants to take full advantage. I'm also pretty sure that both of you don't really know what that means. I don't say that to be insulting, but simply to point out that there is far more to the Academy than trying to know all of Reef Points on I-day and striving for Brigade Commander. Marvin's advice may sound harsh, but it's true. Enjoy your last summer. Studying reef points won't get you ahead (you don't have context for what you're reading, for one), and there is a lot more to be gained from spending time with family and friends. And meeting hotties, I suppose.

    As for your striper question, don't worry about it. Know they out rank you, and when they tell you to, learn what the ranks are. Really, there's no reward for knowing things early.
     
  10. HANNAH1212

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    Well SteveHolt, I think advice like "go out and get wasted every day before USNA" is counterproductive to everything this message board is trying to promote such has helping kids successfully attain an appointment to USNA. This is space is used for asking questions like the original poster asked--the academy is for gaining experience. Since neither of us have officially gotten there yet, as you so condescendingly pointed out, this is all we have and some of us are just curious. Pick your battles.
     
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  11. marvin7794

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    Hannah, how do you know that my advice is counterproductive? I think that the opposite is true. I basically told gdensa to not worry about the Academy until he steps into Alumni Hall on I-day. To be completely honest, knowing Reef Points cover to cover when you get there will probably be more painful for you than knowing nothing. Being the fly on the wall is the optimum position. Bottom line is to enjoy your free time before you go to the land of oz.
     
  12. Riv-Rod

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    Telling someone to get wasted and arty is always horrible advice.
     
  13. gdesena

    gdesena USNA Midshipman

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    I think we've completely lost the point of this question. I just wanted to know who the stripers were and what they did to get there. I have now learned that they are firsties with leadership positions, and they have gotten their positions through interviews and connections. Thank you to all who have been productive here.

    This thread will now end.
     
  14. usnabgo08

    usnabgo08 USNA 2008/BGO

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    Hannah, et. al.

    Let me give you some advice from someone who has served on Brigade, Battalion, and Company level staffs, as well as someone having some experience in the Fleet.

    1. What marvin is saying about stripers having more stripes than friends is completely false and a generalization that cannot be supported by facts. All stripers that I have served with are nice people, are respected among their peers and subordinates, and if they didn't wear stripes, you would not know what billet they might hold. Let me caveat by saying not ALL stripers, or MIDN for that matter, are going to be the same leaders as others and some might have different leadership styles or might not be as dedicated -- something you will see throughout your career Navy, Marine Corps, or life.

    2. Many of the billets, which MIDN might say are "useless" are not. Those billets might become useless if the billets are not planned out or the dedication is not present. Plan of Actions (POAMs), Standard Operating Procedures (SOP), or Instructions are not written up to waste people's time, it is to outline a course of action, direction, or way in which programs are suppose to be ran. For example, when the AT/FP and Safety billets were created, these programs lacked a SOP/Instruction to govern how those programs should be ran. Therefore, no one had any expectations, goals, or purpose of the program.

    FYI, Safety and AT/FP (called ATTT in the Fleet) are MAJOR programs. The fact that marvin is saying these programs are "useless" tells me one of two things: one, the program still does not have clear goals and procedures that been disseminated to the Brigade OR two, the lack of Fleet exposure limits the importance MIDN place on some programs.

    Finally, I recommend trying to serve on a staff, whether, Battalion, Regiment, or Brigade; you will learn how to communicate, both up and down the chain of command, something that is important as a DIVO and one holding collateral duties.
     
  15. marvin7794

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    I think most people would refer to that generalization as a "joke." I am friends with many former stripers. Not all of them were respected. Some of them were clowns. And to say that Instructions or SOPs are always written with a purpose is insane. Have you ever dug into Midshipman Regulations? Some billets are pointless as well. Brigade Chapel Watch Coordinator? I think there is a reason that they did away with it. Or maybe the importance of it was lost on me due to my lack of fleet exposure. I could name others. I recommend a staff job as well. It is good for you to hone your leadership, see new things, interact with higher ranking officers and miss formation and parades on a regular basis.
     
  16. usnabgo08

    usnabgo08 USNA 2008/BGO

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    Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean there isn't a purpose (and I am not saying that everything in the Navy makes sense). Obviously, the Commandant of Midshipmen thought there was a purpose, otherwise it wouldn't have been published. If you have scrolled through it, it delineates responsibilities, information, and operating procedures. Have you read/skimmed other instructions beside MIDREGs? MIDREGs is only one of many COMDTMIDNINST/USNAINST.

    In the Fleet, you will be referencing many instructions, regardless of service selection. That is how the Navy operates. There will be many occasions where your XO/CO will require you to have the reference next to some item you are routing. Not only will you be required to print it out (or applicable portions), but you will be expected to be knowledgeable on it.


    I don't see that being useless. The RPs are overloaded and work overtime (unless they gained a few more, which is doubtful consider Navy's objective to downsize) and this is a great way for MIDN, who observe their faith, to have some responsibility and take ownership for it -- not a bad trait to have as an officer. Obviously, there isn't a chapel watch in the Fleet.

    You don't necessarily need to interact with high-ranking officers. The point is to keep your "boss" (i.e. unit commander) in the loop and then keep those in your chain-of-command below you informed and provide direction, so that people can make decisions.
    Missing parades and formations shouldn't be one of the reasons to go for stripes.
     
  17. marvin7794

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    I think I listed interacting with higher ranking officers as one of several reasons. And it is important to get over that hump before you graduate. You never know when you might be alone in an airplane with an O-5 or O-6. If you are not nervous about rank, the flight will go a lot smoother. I use SOP and Instruction everyday. It's there for my safety. Midregs is there to annoy midshipmen, for the most part. Helping pass out programs and setup donuts has nothing to do with taking ownership of your religion.
     
  18. usna1985

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    Folks, let's keep this on topic.

    Just a friendly reminder from your mod.
     

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