MOC nomination

Discussion in 'Nominations' started by faylum, Jan 19, 2011.

  1. faylum

    faylum Member

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    may be a silly question but if your MOC does not have any available openings in a SA will he still nominate you? and also can he give more than 10 names for one spot?
     
  2. aglages

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    No.
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  3. buff81

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    A MOC will have at least one opening per year.
     
  4. 2011's Mom

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    Not necessarily. It depends on how many cadets/Mids the MOC has at the SA. They can only have 5 at a given time. So if they mis-managed their slots in a prior year, it is very possible that they would have no opening this year. It is complicated and while usually a MOC will have at least one slot a year, it is also very possible that they will not.
     
  5. buff81

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    I was trying to think of a way that a MOC would not have at least one slot and could not think of any. Can you expound on 'mis-managing' a nom and how there might not be any slots for a particular year? This is interesting.
     
  6. d.mcknight

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    The only way I would think of would be like this.....let's say a MOC decided to not nominate anyone for the class of 2011, for whatever reason. However they still currently have their 5 slots full because they have 2 juniors, 2 sophomores, and 1 freshman. Next year, those 5 slots will still be full, because none of them graduated....therefore the MOC can't nominate anyone for the class of 2015...

    Kinda confusing and far-fetched...but it's the only situation I could think of.
     
  7. rdb1819

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    I'm not sure that the MOCs can "mismanage" their slots. The appointments/slots are offered by the academies from the slates provided. As I understand the process, the academies are in control of who gets in and who doesn't and therefor the number of slots used for each MOC. I also unserstand that two of the reasons why all the VP nomination info goes to the academies is that they use the VP slots for those highly qualified candidates that either don't get noms or are in distrcts with no slots remaining.
     
  8. falconchic88

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    I think its entirely possible. If a MOC has some unexpected vacancies due to dropouts or mandatory separations, of some Jrs or Sophomores, and the MOC chooses to use these openings to nominate 3 slates of 10 in that year (maybe alot of highly qualified candidates), the academy will have to give appointments to at least one on each list(assuming of course they meet min academy qualifications). Now when the year comes up the others dropped out and there are no graduates, there may be no openings. It could be considered mismanagement, because the MOC should, and most likely would, save some of those noms for the appropriate year. Unlikely scenerio, but possible.
     
  9. usna1985

    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    USNA Admissions has said that they work closely with MOC offices to do their best to ensure each MOC has at least one slot open each year and I'm sure the others do as well. However, they can only lead the proverbial horse to the proverbial water . . .

    Let's say MOC X has the following expected vacancies (vacancies that will occur for the class year that is applying for noms):

    2015 -- 1
    2016 -- 2
    2017 -- 1
    2018 -- 1

    Let's say that, at the end of the summer, the 2015 person quits USNA. That leaves the MOC with an "extra" nominating slot for 2016. Thus, instead of nominating 2, the MOC could nominate 3 (the extra filling the MOC's slot of the person who quit).

    However, if the MOC uses that open slot in 2016, here's what would happen:

    2016 -- 3 (the two the MOC already had for this year plus one from 2015)
    2017 -- 1
    2018 -- 1
    2019 -- OOPS!:eek:

    Assuming all of the mids stay through their 4 years, this MOC now will have no openings for the Class of 2019. Thus, USNA would encourage that MOC to "hold" that 2015 nom (for the person who quit) until 2019, so that there would be at least one opening that year. As noted, they (and the other SAs) can't force the MOC to do anything but most want to ensure their constituents have an opportunity for each SA each year.

    Hope this helps.
     
  10. Pima

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    Let's go back to the OP's question.

    They can not nom more than 10 for a slate.

    They can not have more than 5 charged at any given time...if they have 5 already there than they cannot nom anyone since nobody can be charged to them.

    Reality is this scenario of no ability to charge is highly unlikely.
     
  11. 2011's Mom

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    Mis-managing of slots is more common than you might think. I am aware of many times that this has occurred. Yes, the SA tries to work with the MOC to ensure they don't over commit for a future year but typically the MOC has a staffer handling this and if the staffer is not actively working with the SA or if they believe they have it all under control, it can get messed up. If they submit the slate and then the SA notices that in a future year they will be short they may be unable to fix it because the slate will already have been submitted and the candidates notified of their nomination.

    Also, when a cadet/mod outprcoesses prior to graduation they open up a slot on an odd year (when the slot was not expected) so if the MOC fills two slots that year (to replace the student that out-processed) they have to be careful to manage it such that in the future year(s) they are certain that the year that was out processed is going to be available. The tendency is to see that they suddenly have two slots for a given year and fill it because someone out processed but that can mess up the numbers for future years. That is the most common means of accidentally ending up with no slots in future years.

    In our area I know of several outgoing MOCs (not re-elected) that stacked the deck for a SA filling it in a given year so that the following two years in a row the incoming MOC could not nominate anyone to that SA. That occurrence is rare but it does happen.

    The most frequent means of this happening is when someone has out processed and the MOC submits two slates instead of holding it until the year that it would have been used had the out process not occurred.
     
  12. aglages

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    Wish I had said this. :wink:
     
  13. Boozebin

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    Ok I have a follow up question to this…

    In a normal situation where the MOC submits a competitive slate of 10 only one of those get’s charged to the MOC based on the Academy’s selection but the other 9 will go into the National pool where they get racked and stacked Nationally… Those other 9 will get in on that nomination but not charged to a MOC.

    So my question is if the MOC has no slots available to them in any given year why can’t they still submit a competitive slate of 10 for the national pool? Now I can see how a MOC couldn’t/shouldn’t submit a Primary slate but why couldn’t they submit a competitive slate in this case?
     
  14. Pima

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    Wrong... if they have other noms they go up for those slates before the pool. It is not uncommon that a slate of 10 have 8 apptd.

    If they are not deemed competitive Nationally they don't go into the pool.

    Because the way the system works...MOCs can only submit 10 per slate per the nom amount available to charge to them. No nom, no slate.

    I think is a futile conversation, because I don't know any MOC that never had a slate. Each SA has an office in the Pentagon that is in charge of briefing the MOCs and keeping track of the amount charged to them.

    Even if they topped out at 5 for yr 15, the fact is they can only have 5 and it would be highly likely that they would have a cadet graduating in 11, thus they would have at least one for 16.
     
  15. usna1985

    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    USNA says there have been times where an MOC does not have a nom slot. It's rare but it does happen. The MOC submits up to 10 nominees per slot. Hence, as Pima said, no slot, no nom. Of course, the candidate can still apply to his/her Senators and the VP.
     
  16. Boozebin

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    Sorry PIMA I didn't type out the whole thought in my head on my post... I didn't mean to imply that all 9 get in and I can see how it could confuse others that don't know... I meant to say that the other 9 CAN get in by the National pool to round out the incoming class IF they make the cut...

    And I don't want this to turn into why the process is broken or why people hate it or how it should change just curious if the MOC can submit a slate of 10 for the national pool if they have no slot and I got my answer :wink:

    And it's NO..... no slot no slate!!!! :biggrin:
     
  17. Pima

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    No problem, typically my fingers don't type as fast as my mind either:eek:
     

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